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Proof of global warming
« on: March 01, 2014, 12:26:08 AM »
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Kind of like believing in Al Gore's global warming.[/quote]


In the event you are not in agreement of global warming, review the following:

http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

http://www.icr.org/article/evidence-for-global-warming/

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Re: Proof of global warming
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2014, 12:08:34 PM »
This is a fairly simple math/logic problem to me-

For proper statistical analysis of anything, you need an appropriate and reliable sample.  We have less than 100 years of reliable global weather data to work with, and they believe in a 4-6 billion year old planet. 

That misses the requirement for a reliable sample by several orders of magnitude.

So, is the current cycle of weather a natural occurring one, or man-made?  Sorry, not enough data to make even an educated guess much less an official proclamation of fact.

Case closed.
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Re: Proof of global warming
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2014, 09:56:52 PM »
So, is the current cycle of weather a natural occurring one, or man-made?  Sorry, not enough data to make even an educated guess much less an official proclamation of fact.

The Industrial Age began in the 1700s with the advent of machines and factories, but it seems to have accelerated in the 20th Century with the advent of carbon based engines, which seems to correlate with the increased CO2 emissions. However, as you aptly noted, it's difficult to make concrete causal conclusions when we only have a century's worth of data on global emissions. Nonetheless, it sure is interesting that there does seem to be an anecdotal link between the Industrial Age and a warming climate. As a side-note, the bible says that eventually every living thing in the sea will die (Rev. 16:3). Whatever causes that to happen is going to be a big event!
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Re: Proof of global warming
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2014, 10:42:33 PM »
The Industrial Age began in the 1700s with the advent of machines and factories, but it seems to have accelerated in the 20th Century with the advent of carbon based engines, which seems to correlate with the increased CO2 emissions. However, as you aptly noted, it's difficult to make concrete causal conclusions when we only have a century's worth of data on global emissions. Nonetheless, it sure is interesting that there does seem to be an anecdotal link between the Industrial Age and a warming climate.

So how does one explain the medieval warm period and also the little ice age that followed it? The medieval warm period was long before 1700's. I think it ended in the 1200's sometime. If I were to take today's scientists seriously I guess I'd have to conclude there were too many cows then which added too much CO2. While I can't point you to a source right now it seems like I remember reading that there is evidence that grapes were grown as far north as the southern parts of the scandinavian countries.

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Re: Proof of global warming
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2014, 07:56:59 AM »
So how does one explain the medieval warm period and also the little ice age that followed it? The medieval warm period was long before 1700's. I think it ended in the 1200's sometime. If I were to take today's scientists seriously I guess I'd have to conclude there were too many cows then which added too much CO2. While I can't point you to a source right now it seems like I remember reading that there is evidence that grapes were grown as far north as the southern parts of the scandinavian countries.
That's quite remarkable. Do you have a link to an article about it?
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Re: Proof of global warming
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2014, 09:52:36 AM »
I will try to find what I've read and post back. Keep your ears tuned.  :)

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Re: Proof of global warming
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2014, 03:10:50 PM »
That's quite remarkable. Do you have a link to an article about it?

I tried my hardest to find some articles that were not biased on way or the other. Did not find such a thing. So I will give you a couple of links and you can read and decide for yourself. Just keep in mind that it appears that no one can write a scientific paper without their bias coming through.

It's actually kind of incredible. I was wrong about the grapes being in Scandinavian countries but grapes were grown in England. In Europe they planted farms at much higher elevations than today. The summers were warmer and dryer. Greenland was settled by the Vickings and they raised cattle and had farms. Try doing that today. There is also evidence that glaciers retreated during that time in a big way. Here are a couple of links to get you started but if you want to do the search yourself just use phrases such as...

Medieval Warm Period

Medieval Warm Epoch

Hubert Lamb

Little Ice Age

Roman Warm Period (even earlier)

http://www.stanford.edu/~moore/HistoryEcon.html

http://www.climatedepot.com/2013/03/08/more-than-700-scientists-from-400-institutions-in-40-countries-have-contributed-peerreviewed-papers-providing-evidence-that-the-medieval-warm-period-was-real-global-warmer-than-the-present/

http://explorenorth.com/library/weekly/aa121799.htm

http://www.windows2universe.org/earth/climate/medieval_warm_period.html

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Re: Proof of global warming
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2014, 04:44:18 PM »
I'll peruse the articles after this post.

I was wrong about the grapes being in Scandinavian countries but grapes were grown in England.
When the Romans invaded northern Europe, they brought with them their culture and customs, to include the practice of growing grapes to make wine. That practice was invariably brought as far north as England. However, the climate wasn't conducive to growing grapes, so to ensure that they had a supply of alcoholic beverages, they used grains such as wheat and barley to make beer because those grains could grow in colder climates. I speculate that the growing grapes in cold regions of Europe had more to do with the invasion of Europe by Rome, with the Romans trying to plant grapes -- but it simply didn't work out as a long-term practice. The temperate cut-off line seems to be France.  Could the temperate cut-off line have been England, Germany or Scandinavia at one time in history? Maybe.


Greenland was settled by the Vickings and they raised cattle and had farms. Try doing that today.
The Vikings destroyed Iceland's forest by cutting down all of the trees, thus leaving behind a rocky and barren ground that very little can grow on.
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Re: Proof of global warming
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2014, 04:54:07 PM »
I perused the articles.

My opinion about global warming has to do with bible prophecy and not arguments between scientists and politicians about the veracity of global warming. The bible says that in the last days, men will be "scorched" with great heat, which sounds like global warming. Hence, global warming is a biblical prophecy that must be fulfilled:

And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire. And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory (Rev. 16:8-9).
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