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SCHOOL of THEOLOGY => Catholicism => Topic started by: me again on September 29, 2011, 05:58:20 PM

Title: Those who sleep in Christ
Post by: me again on September 29, 2011, 05:58:20 PM
Quote from: Thessalonians 4:16
"...those who have fallen asleep in Christ..."

A Roman Catholic nun said on TV that the bible describes those who have died as having "fallen asleep" because they really aren't dead, similar to Jesus Christ's testimony about Lazarus and the rich man.
Title: Re: Those who sleep in Christ
Post by: Stan on December 20, 2011, 10:40:22 PM
I agree with her...
( I held off a long time to post this  :)  )

in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.

http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/15-52.htm
Title: Re: Those who sleep in Christ
Post by: me again on December 21, 2011, 09:26:55 AM
Stan, you are going to be surprised after your mortal body dies and you find yourself still alive in heaven with Jesus in your celestial (spiritual) body, as you await resurrection day. You will never cease to exist, even momentarily.  :)
Title: Re: Those who sleep in Christ
Post by: Quasar on February 24, 2012, 04:24:15 PM
As me again posted about the term "alseep in Christ," All of us who belong to the Lord will be taken to be with Him immediately following our physical death, according to 2 Cor.5:6-8 and Phil.1:21-23, confirming Ecc.12:7.  When Jesus returns for the rest of us still alive at His appearing, they will all be returning with Him from heaven, according to vs 1 Thes.4:14.

Verse 16 is the key, which states "the dead in Christ will rise first..."  Contrary to common belief, many believe that means all those who died in Christ are going to be resurrected, which is false!  Because they will have all been raised once before and in heaven with Jesus. 

But rather, together with verses 13 and 15, vs 16 is Paul's assurance to the Thessalonians that their dead in christ will not miss the rapture of the Church.


Quasar

Title: Re: Those who sleep in Christ
Post by: Catalyst on August 03, 2012, 09:30:46 PM
I agree with her...
( I held off a long time to post this  :)  )

in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.

http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/15-52.htm
Wouldn't that lead to some doubt that someone who was burned at death, would not come back? 
Title: Re: Those who sleep in Christ
Post by: Quasar on August 07, 2012, 10:05:57 AM
Wouldn't that lead to some doubt that someone who was burned at death, would not come back?


Reference to 1 Cor.15:52 pertains to the resurrection of Rev.20:4 and 6, consisting of all the martyrs of the seven year tribulation.  Whose spirit/souls are recorded in the perenthetic great multitude of Rev.7:9-17, in heaven.  When the resurrection takes place, they will reappear with glorified imperishable, immortal bodies, as Christ's was when He was resurrected, that will last forever.  They will begin by being made priests of God and of Christ and rule with Him for 1,000 years, according to Rev.20:6. 

IMO, the play on the term resurrection is in reality the restoration of the spirit/soul that returns to God immediately following physical death, as found in Ecc.12:7.  The dead human body returned to the earth is of no use whatever due to the fact it is perishable.  Therefore I do not believe in an actual resurrection of our dead perishable human bodies, but rather, the return of the spirit/soul from heaven in glorified spiritual bodies, as found in 1 Cor.15:44.  That is only my personal theological belief.

Much on the order of the angels who appeared hee on earth in fulfilling various missions for the Lord, such as in Gen.19, Jacob and his wrestling partner in Gen.32, The Captain of God's armies from heaven in Jos.5, and the fourth man in the firey furnace in Daniel 3.


Quasar   
Title: Re: Those who sleep in Christ
Post by: Catalyst on August 07, 2012, 07:21:21 PM

Reference to 1 Cor.15:52 pertains to the resurrection of Rev.20:4 and 6, consisting of all the martyrs of the seven year tribulation.  Whose spirit/souls are recorded in the perenthetic great multitude of Rev.7:9-17, in heaven.  When the resurrection takes place, they will reappear with glorified imperishable, immortal bodies, as Christ's was when He was resurrected, that will last forever.  They will begin by being made priests of God and of Christ and rule with Him for 1,000 years, according to Rev.20:6. 

IMO, the play on the term resurrection is in reality the restoration of the spirit/soul that returns to God immediately following physical death, as found in Ecc.12:7.  The dead human body returned to the earth is of no use whatever due to the fact it is perishable.  Therefore I do not believe in an actual resurrection of our dead perishable human bodies, but rather, the return of the spirit/soul from heaven in glorified spiritual bodies, as found in 1 Cor.15:44.  That is only my personal theological belief.

Much on the order of the angels who appeared hee on earth in fulfilling various missions for the Lord, such as in Gen.19, Jacob and his wrestling partner in Gen.32, The Captain of God's armies from heaven in Jos.5, and the fourth man in the firey furnace in Daniel 3.


Quasar   

It seems to me that Paul was the one that said we were priests already, of the order of Melchizedek. 

Has that time already passed then?
Title: Re: Those who sleep in Christ
Post by: Quasar on January 24, 2013, 04:16:18 PM
You are apparently referring to the passages of Scripture in Hebrews, which has to do with Jesus, not to us.

Becoming priests of God and of Christ will not take place until after the end ot the tribulation and the first resurrection.  Effective during Jesus Millennial reign here on earth.


Quasar