Where Clergy and Laypeople Discuss God

SCHOOL of THEOLOGY => Catholicism => Topic started by: saved on April 27, 2013, 11:28:26 PM

Title: Rebellion in the Catholic religion
Post by: saved on April 27, 2013, 11:28:26 PM
Kentucky woman ordained as priest in defiance of Roman Catholic Church
http://news.yahoo.com/kentucky-woman-ordained-priest-defiance-roman-catholic-church-005633378.html
Title: Re: Rebellion in the Catholic religion
Post by: me again on April 28, 2013, 12:55:54 PM
Kentucky woman ordained as priest in defiance of Roman Catholic Church
http://news.yahoo.com/kentucky-woman-ordained-priest-defiance-roman-catholic-church-005633378.html

In the name of religion (Catholic, Protestant and others), homosexuals are ordained, babies are aborted and Jews are killed, but it doesn't mean that it's from God.

"Not everyone who says to me Lord Lord will enter my kingdom, but only he who does the will of My Father." -- Lord Jesus Christ.

Just because someone says that they are a Catholic (or a member of your denomination) doesn't preclude that they are a wolf in sheep's clothing.  :o
Title: Re: Rebellion in the Catholic religion
Post by: saved on April 28, 2013, 05:48:37 PM
In the name of religion (Catholic, Protestant and others), homosexuals are ordained, babies are aborted and Jews are killed, but it doesn't mean that it's from God.

"Not everyone who says to me Lord Lord will enter my kingdom, but only he who does the will of My Father." -- Lord Jesus Christ.

Just because someone says that they are a Catholic (or a member of your denomination) doesn't preclude that they are a wolf in sheep's clothing.  :o

The problem is that the Catholic church as a religious sect is a wolf in sheep clothing because they teach a works salvation.
Title: Re: Rebellion in the Catholic religion
Post by: me again on April 28, 2013, 07:15:51 PM
The problem is that the Catholic church as a religious sect is a wolf in sheep clothing because they teach a works salvation.

Are you saying that all Catholics are hell bound?  Or are you saying that all followers of your doctrine are heaven bound? LOL :)
Title: Re: Rebellion in the Catholic religion
Post by: saved on April 29, 2013, 12:10:11 AM
Are you saying that all Catholics are hell bound?  Or are you saying that all followers of your doctrine are heaven bound? LOL :)

I have no doctrine. I accept the doctrine of the bible. Everyone who follows a works salvation are hell bound. All people who follow a grace through faith salvation are heaven bound. If a person follows the Catholic teaches about getting saved then they are hell bound as their teachings are works salvation.
Eph. 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast
Title: Re: Rebellion in the Catholic religion
Post by: me again on April 29, 2013, 08:32:33 AM
I have no doctrine. I accept the doctrine of the bible.
So you're saying that you're doctrine is the biblical doctrine, but the biblical interpretation of others isn't biblically doctrinal. LOL Isn't that what everyone says?
Title: Re: Rebellion in the Catholic religion
Post by: saved on April 29, 2013, 06:35:26 PM
So you're saying that you're doctrine is the biblical doctrine, but the biblical interpretation of others isn't biblically doctrinal. LOL Isn't that what everyone says?

If any person disagrees with the bible then it is not of God. The Catholic church is one large false religion.
Title: Re: Rebellion in the Catholic religion
Post by: me again on April 30, 2013, 09:01:02 PM
If any person disagrees with the bible then it is not of God. The Catholic church is one large false religion.

What if someone agrees with the bible, but disagrees with you? Or are you claiming to have a lock on all biblical interpretations? Only Mr. "Saved" has the correct interpretations? haaaaaaaaa LOL  ;D
Title: Re: Rebellion in the Catholic religion
Post by: saved on May 01, 2013, 12:30:29 AM
What if someone agrees with the bible, but disagrees with you? Or are you claiming to have a lock on all biblical interpretations? Only Mr. "Saved" has the correct interpretations? haaaaaaaaa LOL  ;D

Like you and the catholic church who promotes works salvation? I don't think so.
Title: Re: Rebellion in the Catholic religion
Post by: me again on May 01, 2013, 12:26:54 PM
Like you and the catholic church who promotes works salvation? I don't think so.

1. Salvation requires reliance on the works of Jesus at the cross -- not our own works. We must labor to enter into His rest! (Heb. 4:11)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=heb%204:11&version=KJV

2. Rewards and position in heaven requires reliance on our own works. (Rev. 22:12b)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev%2022:12&version=KJV

3. God's grace is sufficient for us. (2 Cor 12:9)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20cor%2012:9&version=KJV
Title: Re: Rebellion in the Catholic religion
Post by: saved on May 01, 2013, 01:25:35 PM
1. Salvation requires reliance on the works of Jesus at the cross -- not our own works. We must labor to enter into His rest! (Heb. 4:11)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=heb%204:11&version=KJV

2. Rewards and position in heaven requires reliance on our own works. (Rev. 22:12b)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev%2022:12&version=KJV

3. God's grace is sufficient for us. (2 Cor 12:9)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20cor%2012:9&version=KJV
So are you saying that you disagree with the Catholic church teachings that the sacraments are necessary for salvation?
Title: Re: Rebellion in the Catholic religion
Post by: me again on May 01, 2013, 06:00:51 PM
So are you saying that you disagree with the Catholic church teachings that the sacraments are necessary for salvation?

It's kind of like the sacrament of baptism. It is necessary, but the Catholic Church teaches that unbaptized people will go to heaven. Would you like to see an official Catholic teaching on this?  :)
Title: Re: Rebellion in the Catholic religion
Post by: saved on May 01, 2013, 06:11:48 PM
It's kind of like the sacrament of baptism. It is necessary, but the Catholic Church teaches that unbaptized people will go to heaven. Would you like to see an official Catholic teaching on this?  :)

Here it is right out of the Catholic Catechism;
ARTICLE 1
THE SACRAMENT OF BAPTISM

1213 Holy Baptism is the basis of the whole Christian life, the gateway to life in the Spirit (vitae spiritualis ianua),4 and the door which gives access to the other sacraments. Through Baptism we are freed from sin and reborn as sons of God; we become members of Christ, are incorporated into the Church and made sharers in her mission: "Baptism is the sacrament of regeneration through water in the word."5

That is a works salvation. Are you now going to tell us all that this does not mean what it says?
Title: Re: Rebellion in the Catholic religion
Post by: me again on May 01, 2013, 06:56:50 PM
Here it is right out of the Catholic Catechism;
ARTICLE 1
THE SACRAMENT OF BAPTISM

1213 Holy Baptism is the basis of the whole Christian life, the gateway to life in the Spirit (vitae spiritualis ianua),4 and the door which gives access to the other sacraments. Through Baptism we are freed from sin and reborn as sons of God; we become members of Christ, are incorporated into the Church and made sharers in her mission: "Baptism is the sacrament of regeneration through water in the word."5

That is a works salvation. Are you now going to tell us all that this does not mean what it says?

Where in the Catholic catechism does it say that in some cases, the unbaptized may still go to heaven?  :)
Title: Re: Rebellion in the Catholic religion
Post by: saved on May 01, 2013, 07:00:08 PM
Where in the Catholic catechism does it say that in some cases, the unbaptized may still go to heaven?  :)

I never said it does. That is what you said. None the less that has nothing to do with this. As usual you try and shift the conversation when it is made clear that Catholics are in sin and a false religion.