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Religion & Theology / Re: Three Days and Three Nights
« Last post by Quasar on March 02, 2016, 11:29:05 AM »
You don't have a clue as to what my intended meanings were, so don't try putting words in my mouth!  As I said before, I'm out of this thread, as it has been long overcooked!


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Ask Your Bible Questions Here!!! / Who is the "Queen of Heanen?"
« Last post by Quasar on March 02, 2016, 09:11:38 AM »
The phrase ‘the queen of heaven’ appears in the Bible twice, both times in the book of Jeremiah. The first incident is in connection with the things the Israelites were doing that provoked the Lord to anger. Entire families were involved in idolatry. The children gathered wood and the men used it to build altars to worship false gods. The women were engaged in kneading dough and baking cakes of bread for the “Queen of Heaven” [Jeremiah 7:18]. This title referred to Ishtar, an Assyrian and Babylonian goddess also called Ashtoreth and Astarte by various other groups. She was thought to be the wife of the false god Baal, also known as Molech. The motivation of women to worship Ashtoreth stemmed from her reputation as a fertility goddess, and as the bearing of children was greatly desired among women of that era, worship of this “queen of heaven” was rampant among pagan civilizations and, sadly, it became popular among the Israelites as well.

The second reference to the queen of heaven is found in Jeremiah 44:17-25, where Jeremiah is giving the people the word of the Lord which God has spoken to him. He reminds the people that their disobedience and idolatry has caused the Lord to be very angry with them and punish them with calamity. Jeremiah warns them that greater punishments await them if they do not repent. They reply that they have no intentions of giving up their worship of idols, promising to continue pouring out drink offerings to the queen of heaven, Ashtoreh, and even going so far as to credit her with the peace and prosperity they once enjoyed because of God’s grace and mercy.

It is unclear where the idea that Ashtoreth was a “consort” of Jehovah originated, but it’s easy to see how the blending of paganism that exalts a goddess with the worship of the true King of heaven, Jehovah, can lead to the combining of God and Ashtoreth. And since Ashtoreth worship involved sexuality, (fertility, procreation, temple prostitution) the resulting relationship, to the depraved mind, would naturally be one of a sexual nature. Clearly the idea of the “queen of heaven” as the consort or paramour of the King of heaven is idolatrous and unbiblical.

There is no queen of heaven. There has never been a queen of heaven. There is most certainly a King of Heaven, the Lord of hosts, Jehovah. He alone rules in heaven. He does not share His rule or His throne or His authority with anyone. The idea that Mary, the mother of Jesus, is the queen of heaven has no scriptural basis whatsoever, stemming instead from proclamations of priests and popes of the Roman Catholic Church. While Mary was certainly a godly young woman greatly blessed in that she was chosen to bear the Savior of the world, she was not in any way divine, nor was she sinless, nor is she to be worshipped, revered, venerated, or prayed to. All followers of the Lord God refuse worship. Peter and the apostles refused to be worshipped [Acts 10:25-26; 14:13-14]. The holy angels refuse to be worshipped [Revelation 19:10; 22:9]. The response is always the same, "Worship God!" To offer worship, reverence, or veneration to anyone but God is nothing short of idolatry. Mary’s own words in her “Magnificat” (Luke 1:46-55] reveal that she never thought of herself as ‘immaculate’ and deserving of veneration, but was instead relying on the grace of God for salvation: “and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.” Only sinners need a savior and Mary recognized that need in herself.

Furthermore, Jesus Himself issued a mild rebuke to a woman who cried out to Him, "Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you" [Luke 11:27], replying to her, "Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it." By doing so, He curtailed any tendency to elevate Mary as an object of worship. He could certainly have said, “Yes, blessed be the Queen of Heaven!” But He did not. He was affirming the same truth that the Bible affirms—there is no queen of heaven, and the only biblical references to the “queen of heaven” refer to the goddess of an idolatrous, false religion.


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Ask Your Bible Questions Here!!! / What ae the seven spirits of God?
« Last post by Quasar on March 02, 2016, 08:58:45 AM »

The "seven spirits of God" are mentioned in Revelation 1:4; 3:1; 4:5; and 5:6. The seven spirits of God are not specifically identified, so it’s impossible to be dogmatic. Revelation 1:4 mentions that the seven spirits are before God's throne. Revelation 3:1 indicates that Jesus Christ "holds" the seven spirits of God. Revelation 4:5 links the seven spirits of God with seven burning lamps that are before God's throne. Revelation 5:6 identifies the seven spirits with the "seven eyes" of the Lamb and states that they are "sent out into all the earth."

There are at least three possible interpretations of the seven spirits of God. The first is that the seven spirits of God are symbolic of the Holy Spirit. The Bible, and especially the Book of Revelation, uses the number seven to refer to perfection and completion. If that is the meaning of the seven in the "seven spirits" then it is not referring to seven different spirits of God, but rather the perfect and complete Holy Spirit. The second view is that the seven spirits of God refer to seven angelic beings, possibly the seraphim, the cherubim. This would fit with the numerous others angelic beings that are described in the Book of Revelation [Revelation 4:6-9; 5:6-14; 19:4-5].

A third possibility is based on Isaiah 11:2 which says, “The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him — the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of power, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD.” This could possibly explain the seven spirits of God…(1) Spirit of the LORD, (2) Spirit of wisdom, (3) Spirit of understanding, (4) Spirit of counsel, (5) Spirit of power, (6) Spirit of knowledge, (7) Spirit of the fear of the Lord. The Bible doesn’t tell us specifically who/what the seven spirits are, but the first interpretation that they are the Holy Spirit seems the most likely.


 Quasar
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Religion & Theology / Re: Three Days and Three Nights
« Last post by rstrats on March 02, 2016, 06:20:48 AM »
Quasar,
re:  "The sixth day is Friday, which has been proven to be in error AS THE DAY OF JESUS CRUCIFIXION!"

That may be what you meant, but that is not what you wrote.  I'm not a mind reader.

Perhaps someone new looking in will know of some writing.
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The Tribulation Focuses on Israel

The Bible teaches that the tribulation is a time of preparation for Israel's restoration and conversion (Deut. 4:29-30; Jer. 30:3-11; Zech. 12:10).1 While the church will experience tribulation in general during this present age (John 15:18-25; 16:33; 2 Tim. 3:10-13), she is never mentioned as participating in Israel's time of trouble, which includes the Great Tribulation, the Day of the Lord, and the Wrath of God. Gerald Stanton explains:

The Tribulation does not deal with the Church at all, but with the purification of Israel. It is not the "time of the Church's trouble," but the "time of Jacob's trouble." The emphasis of the Tribulation is primarily Jewish. This fact is borne out by Old Testament Scriptures (Deut. 4: 30; Jer. 30: 7; Ezek. 20: 37; Dan. 12:1; Zech. 13:8-9), by the Olivet Discourse of Christ (Matt. 24:9-26), and by the book of Revelation itself (Rev. 7:4-8; 12:1-2; 17, etc.). It concerns "Daniel's people," the coming of "false Messiah," the preaching of the "gospel of the kingdom," flight on the "Sabbath," the temple and the "holy place," the land of Judea, the city of Jerusalem, the twelve "tribes of the children of Israel," the "son of Moses," "signs" in the heavens, the "covenant" with the Beast, the "sanctuary," the "sacrifice and the oblation" of the temple ritual.

These all speak of Israel and clearly demonstrate that the Tribulation is largely a time when God deals with His ancient people prior to their entrance into the promised kingdom. The many Old Testament prophecies yet to be fulfilled for Israel further indicate a future time when God will deal with this nation (Deut. 30:1-6; Jer. 30:8-10, etc.).2

The Church is Absent from the Tribulation

Not one Old Testament passage on the tribulation refers to the church (Deut. 4:29-30; Jer. 30:4-11; Dan. 8:24-27; 12:1-2), nor does the New Testament ever speak of the church in relation to the tribulation (Matt. 13:30, 39-42, 48-50; 24:15-31; 1 Thess. 1:9-10, 5:4-9; 2 Thess. 2:1-11; Rev. 4-18), except as present in heaven.

Such silence speaks loudly and supports the pre-trib position, especially when combined with clear, explicit statements that promise her exemption from that time (Rom. 5:9; 1 Thess. 1:10; 5:9; Rev. 3:10). Note the clear promise to the church of Revelation 3:10: "Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell upon the earth".

If pre-tribulationism is indeed the teaching of Scripture, then we would expect that passages dealing with the tribulation would consistently make no mention of the church. This is exactly what we find. However, Israel is mentioned often throughout these texts. Dr. Robert Gromacki has studied the New Testament book of Revelation, chapters 4-19, which gives the most detailed overview of the seven-year tribulation in all the Bible. He has shown the following:

However, there is a strange silence of the term in chapters 4-19. That fact is especially noteworthy when you contrast that absence with its frequent presence in the first three chapters. One good reason for this phenomenon is the absence of the true church and true evangelical churches in the seven years preceding the Second Coming. The true believers of the church have gone into the presence of Christ in heaven before the onset of the events of the seven year period. The church is not mentioned during the seal, trumpet, and bowl judgments because the church is not here during the outpouring of these judgments.3

Conclusion

Only pretribulationism is able to give full import to tribulation terms like "the time of Jacob's trouble" (Jer. 30:7), as a passage specifically stating that the tribulation is for Jacob (i.e., Israel). John Walvoord concludes: "Never are tribulation saints given the special and peculiar promises given to the church in the present age. The nature of the church in contrast to Israel therefore becomes an argument supporting the pretribulation "

Viewpoint.5

Since God's purpose for the tribulation is to restore Israel (Jer. 30:3, 10) and judge the Gentiles (Jer. 30:11), it is clear that this purpose does not include the church. This is one of the reasons why she will be taken to heaven before this time. The church's hope is a heavenly one, not participation in the culmination and restoration of God's plan for His earthly people-Israel. Maranatha! W

By Thomas Ice


Quasar
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Religion & Theology / Re: Three Days and Three Nights
« Last post by Quasar on March 01, 2016, 10:57:05 PM »
The sixth day is Friday, which has been proven to be in error AS THE DAY OF JESUS CRUCIFIXION!  Capiche?!  That is what the subject is about, mis it not?

Good bye.  Have a great super Tuesday.


Quasar

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Religion & Theology / Re: Three Days and Three Nights
« Last post by rstrats on March 01, 2016, 01:51:04 PM »

Quasar,
re:  "How come you don't seem to remember what you posted from one day to the next?"

I remember perfectly. You seem to be the one that can't remember what you said.  In your post #77 you wrote:  "The sixth day of the week is Friday, which has been shown to be in error..."
Again, you say that Friday is the sixth day of the week and then certainly seem to say that that designation has been shown to be in error i.e., that Friday is not a designation for the 6th day of the week.  That sure sounds contradictory to me.  Plus it has nothing to do with the purpose of this topic.
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Religion & Theology / Re: Three Days and Three Nights
« Last post by Quasar on March 01, 2016, 11:29:46 AM »
Quote by rstrats on 2/1/2016 -post #80:
"And I have never said that you have.  I don't know where you get that idea".

Quoted by rstrats on 2/29/2016 - post #78:
"I don't undestand.  First you assert that Friday is the 6th day of the week and then in the same sentence say that it isn't.  What am I missing?"

How come you don't seem to remember what you posted from one day to the next?

The following are the Scriptural facts pertaining to Mt.12:39-40{  On post #60 - 2/23/2016:

"Mt.12:39-20 happen to be one of those examples where part of a day made Jesus remarks a true fact!  Not speculation, as seen in the following:


The Hebrew day begins at sunset the day before and fulfills the prophecy:

Wednesday @ sunset = Thursday = 24 hours [When Jesus was crucified and died]

Thursday @ sunset = Friday = 24 hours = Passover Sabbath

Friday @ sunset = Saturday =24 hours = seventh day Sabbath

Sunday morning, first day of the week = Jesus resurrected.

Describes Jesus in the tomb for three days and three nights, confirming Mt.12:40."


I'm finished with this circular charade here and now!


Quasar
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Religion & Theology / Re: Three Days and Three Nights
« Last post by rstrats on March 01, 2016, 06:07:13 AM »
Quasar,
re:  ".  I have never said that the sixth day was the day Jesus was crucified."

And I have never said that you have.  I don't know where you get that idea.



re: "I suggest you review the way you go about obtaining support for your belief Jesus was not crucified and died on the sixth day, i.e. ay!  The proof you want has already been posted on this thread."

For the purpose of this topic, the only proof I'm looking for is whether or not it was common to forecast a daytime or a night time being involved with an event when at least a part of the daytime or at least a part of the night time couldn't have taken place. I've checked out all of the above posts and none of them provide any such proof.
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Religion & Theology / Re: Three Days and Three Nights
« Last post by Quasar on February 29, 2016, 10:57:07 PM »
Quasar,
re: "The sixth day of the week is Friday, which has been shown to be in error..."

I don't understand.  First you assert that Friday is the 6th day of the week and then in the same sentence say that it isn't.  What am I missing?



re:  "When the time comes when you believe the answer to your OP has been produced to your satisfaction, to what means will it achieve for you?"

It will simply let me know that in the first century it was common to forecast a daytime or a night time being involved with an event when no part of the daytime or no part of the night time could have taken place. 



re:  "To what effect are you placing on it that has any Scriptural significance to it at all?"

It would take away one of the defenses against a 6th day of the week crucifixion.



You labor under false pretenses.  I have never said that the sixth day was the day Jesus was crucified.  Show mw where you got any such idea as that.  I showed you where Wednesday was the day Jesus was crucified and died.

I suggest you review the way you go about obtaining support for your belief Jesus was not crucified and died on the sixth day, i.e. ay!  The proof you want has already been posted on this thread.  Check it out!


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