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« on: April 12, 2005, 10:19:46 AM »
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,153169,00.html

The story highlights the Evangelical Lutheran Churches decision to allow gay clergy.  It's going to be voted on in August...   :(

It's the denomination I grew up in...   :no:

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« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2005, 01:50:41 PM »
That is apostasy.  I would never attend a church that has a homosexual pastor.  It's an oxymoron anyways. :doh:

Then again, I'm not a churchgoer either. :doh: :snicker:

But I do believe in the resurrection and eventual return of the Lord Jesus Christ to rule the entire universe.   :boing:
"So then, stand firm and hold to the traditions :o which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter" (2 Thessalonians 2:15).

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« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2005, 06:36:53 AM »
I also grew up in the Lutheran church, but we must realize that there are several Lutheran denominations now...but I support none of them.

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« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2005, 11:20:01 PM »
I hate to even admit this.... :(

I have a relative in the Lutheran clergy and this "agenda" has been in their theology college for quite awhile.

She has been...shall I say programmed into believing this is what Jesus would approve of, love of all, acceptance of all, not for us to judge, blah blah blah.

We have gone a few rounds on this one.

I can't win.  :doh:

For as many verses as I fire at her with condemning the sin and not the sinner, she comes back with judging one another, love one another...  :rolleyes:

There are many, many college professors in theo. school that allow these debates to go on in the classroom and almost "promote" the acceptance of that stance.

Sad, very sad indeed.

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« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2005, 06:00:14 AM »
The ELCA has always been the most liberal of the Lutheran Synod's.  I asked my pastor this very same question (I attend a Missouri Synod Lutheran church) and he said there's no way that they'd ever have a gay pastor (in other words endorsing sin).

I totally agree that Jesus is for everyone, even for those who are homosexual.  But unless an individual is repentant of their sins, how can you honestly say that you love God?

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« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2005, 08:51:56 AM »
Quote from: Just_A_Mom


For as many verses as I fire at her with condemning the sin and not the sinner, she comes back with judging one another, love one another...  :rolleyes:


I'm sure you have probably tried allready, but I would fire back at her with the fact that we ARE to judge, like when Paul tells us not to even EAT with a proffessing brother who in caught in sexual sin or other habitual sin, or in Gal 6 and Matthew 18 when we are told how to judge and correct our brothers fallen into sin. We are not told not to judge, but rather to judge righteously, and of clean heart, and to make sure we have removed the log from our own eyes, but we are most certainly to judge.

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« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2005, 09:07:00 AM »
Hi Todd,

I have tried EVERYTHING.

We've agreed to disagree.

This relative is a pastor of a very conservative midwest church.

Which in and of itself, surprises me...

I gave her an example,

If you put in place a youth pastor, who has openly announced he steals, and will continue to steal...would you feel comfortable letting the kids of your flock be under this pastor?

(tried to make it an analogy  :crackup:  )

This is the logic;

her come back was that stealing was a crime punishable by law, and homosexuality wasn't against the law. (wasn't homosexuality at one time against the law???)

Love is what Jesus was about, and that's what God is in essence about.

(sound alittle new Age-ish here?)

I brought up Soddom and Gommorah. Oh that got some fireworks going.

 :D

Literally.

The argument there was the punishment was for their evil ways, ALL evil ways, not just the homosexuality part. They were judged in whole for the evil that was rampant in the city, and for turning their backs on God. Homosexuals can still believe and love God with all their hearts and souls and desire to serve him. They just reside with and love someone of their same sex.

 :rolleyes:

Guess I'm the goody goody here.

Old fashioned and full of puritan values.  ;)

I didn't even bring up the Adam and Steve argument...  :D

I do know there are some divisions of the Lutheran denomination that are extremely adamant about no gay clergy...others are relaxing their views and trying to be accepting to all...

Do I believe that Jesus loves homosexuals? Absolutely.

Does it make Him happy when His children openly disobey Him? Absolutely not. No matter what the sin is.

 

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