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Cop4Christ

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Homosexuality
« on: April 07, 2007, 09:34:09 PM »
The nation that embraces homosexuality will be destroyed

In the 1930s, British anthropologist J.D. Unwin studied 86 cultures that stretched across 5,000 years. He found, without exception, when they restricted sex to marriage, they thrived.

Strong families headed by faithful spouses made for bold, prosperous societies. But not one culture survived more than three generations after turning sexually permissive.

Noted Harvard sociologist Pitirim Sorokin found no culture surviving once it ceased to support marriage and monogamy. None.

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"Cause and Effect: The Benefits of Traditional Marriage"

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Re: Homosexuality
« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2007, 11:22:31 AM »
Quote from: Cop4Christ;39198
But not one culture survived more than three generations after turning sexually permissive.



Incorrect.  Rome and Greece both spanned centuries and they were very sexually permissive.  Rome even allowed sexual slavery (catamites).

Also, the homosexuals will not bring this country down.  They are sinners, and sinners sin.  That's what they do.  God never looks at what sinners are doing.  They are acting within their nature.  Does He strike down a dog for barking?  No, they are simply acting out what they are.

The lukewarmness and spiritual apathy of the Christian church and it's members are what is going to bring down a country.  Reread your major and minor prophets, and you'll see God's hardest thunderings had little to do with individual sin, and more to do with the total apostacy of His church/temple.
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Re: Homosexuality
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2007, 02:10:19 PM »
Here are the stages historians say nations follow. Which are we at?
1. From Bondage to Spiritual Faith
2. From Spiritual Faith to Great Courage
3. From Great Courage to Liberty
4. From Liberty to Abundance
5. From Abundance to Excess and Selfishness
6. From Selfishness to Complacency
7. From Complacency to Apathy
8. From Apathy to (Sexual) Moral Decay
9. From (Sexual) Moral Decay to Dependence
10. Finally, from Dependence to Bondage

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Re: Homosexuality
« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2007, 07:42:27 PM »
What does God think of homosexuality?  I know it is sensitive with all the Roman Catholics so be nice.

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Re: Homosexuality
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2007, 07:40:06 AM »
Quote from: John Oscar;39199
Incorrect.  Also, the homosexuals will not bring this country down.  They are sinners, and sinners sin.  That's what they do.  God never looks at what sinners are doing.  They are acting within their nature.  Does He strike down a dog for barking?  No, they are simply acting out what they are.



Tell that to Sodom & Gomorrah.
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Re: Homosexuality
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2007, 08:27:21 AM »
I don't know if I completely agree with the order of that list, but it definately sounds like an interesting theory.  If I had to choose "where we are" on that list, I'd choose #5 and #8, although others could "fit in" as well:   5. Excess and Selfishness
8. Moral DecayI also don't think that "all sins are equal."  Sure, all sins are destructive, but it seems as if some sins have brought more of God's judgment than other sins in the scriptures (Sodom & Gomorra).  With that in mind, I'm of the opinion that male homosexuality is one of the most evil sins, as well as one of the most destructive.  :eek:
"So then, stand firm and hold to the traditions :o which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter" (2 Thessalonians 2:15).

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Re: Homosexuality
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2007, 11:02:26 AM »
Homosexuality is the second to last step of the moral/spiritual slide found in Romans 1.

Rom 1:18-32
The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator-who is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

28 Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
NIV


We see the steps outlined as follows:

1. suppress the truth by their wickedness (evolution, "God is dead"- late 1800's early 1900's)
2.  Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another (hippie movement, sexual revolution 1960's.  If there hadn't been two world wars, this would have happened much sooner)
3.  Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts (the natural progression of the sexual revolution- rampant homosexuality.  note the caveat- they received the due reward- AIDS
 late 1970's-1980's America)
4.  God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done.  (true evil- this is the point Sodom and Gomorah was at, it wasn't just homosexuality, although it did play a role.  America is fast approaching this, if not already there)

Homosexuality, and it's acceptance by the culture is only a symptom of a larger disease- turning our backs on God.  And that is the fault of the church becoming lukewarm, or as my friend Tom says- goat pen's

1 Peter 4:17-18
17 For it is time for judgment to begin with the family of God; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God? 18 And,

"If it is hard for the righteous to be saved,
what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?"  
NIV
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Re: Homosexuality
« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2007, 01:41:34 PM »
Homosexuality and its acceptance or rejection almost sums up the contrast between faith and law. The law says this is wrong. But faith means one does not always know God's plan is and needs to love your enemy in case things are not what they appear.

This contrast is like the old eastern parable about a young student seeking to study under the Master. The Master reluctantly allows him to accompany him, under the stipulation he remain quiet. As they walk the student sees the Master steal money from under a rock that had been hidden there by a poor child. Later he sees him take a stick and beat what looks like a beggar. The student is besides himself and can stay quiet no longer and gets anger at the Master for being a thief and brute.

The Master replies, where is the faith that brought you to me. The money I stole belongs to a young boy who has to care for his family. I know the family very well. We were not the only ones who saw him hide his money under that rock. There were also bandits. I took the money so it won't be stolen.

The beggar I beat, he was once one of my best students. He stole fruit from the temple and can't get past his guilt and shame. He thinks he needs to suffer. I hate doing it, but if that will help bring him back to the land of the living, I need to help him. Sometimes with faith one needs to avoid judging by the surface.

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Re: Homosexuality
« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2007, 03:22:09 PM »
Wow ! Mark@FL,
You really did a great job of side-stepping the subject !! I thought we were talking about homosexuality ?? I also don't really recall anyone talking about loving or hating someone; but about sin that the Bible condemns. Where did you get this concept of Faith and Law ? It sounds like you are the one that was hit with the stick ! (too many times) Stay in the Word !! "It very well may bring you into the land of the living !! "

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Re: Homosexuality
« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2007, 03:39:28 PM »
Well said Dave.

Take your meds Mark.
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Re: Homosexuality
« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2007, 07:15:23 PM »
I'm glad others saw that....I thought I was OD'ing on cold meds when I read his last couple of posts....
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Re: Homosexuality
« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2007, 09:26:33 PM »
I would say that on one point, John O is correct on his assessment about there being some nations that have existed for extended periods of time with homosexuality being prominent.  So I will say a couple of things regarding that:

First, each nation has a somewhat different sized cup, I think.  By that, I refer to God's comments to Abraham that he was not to receive the promised land himself because the "cup of the Amorites" was not yet full.  That implies that they had not yet filled up their quota of rebellion against God to warrant Him destroying them.  400 years later, it was done.

Yet why do some nations exist for centuries in sin, while others make it a few weeks?  Only God knows.  I would say that Rome lasted (with prevalent homosexuality and direct persecution of the church) for centuries.  The Soviet Union made it about 70 years.  Different sized cups, I say, all owing to God's supreme sovereignty.

Having said that, my second point is that homosexuality must be heinous in the eyes of  God.  Not that every other sin isn't terrible, as well, but have you ever noticed that in Paul's listings of sins that keep one out of the Kingdom of God, homosexuality and other sexual sins are almost always at the front of the list?  That has gotta mean something.  Not to ignore greed, slander, rage, etc that are also in the lists, but the sexual sins (with faggotry usually being the first listed) are always there.

So to put those two things together...

Any nation that openly begins to support a perverted lifestyle such as homosexuality is a nation rapidly filling up its cup.  It doesn't have long...

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Re: Homosexuality
« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2007, 12:27:34 AM »
Quote from: Tom;39204
Tell that to Sodom & Gomorrah.


No Tom,
Sodom and Gomorah was brought down because they were going to destroy the only voice of rebuke they had left,
 Lot,

it will be that way in the end also
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~{Psalms 94:21}~
    They gather themselves together against the soul of the righteous,
    and condemn the innocent blood.

Think Rev.13:15 ie; death decree
    And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast,
    that the image of the beast should both speak,
    and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.  


22 But the LORD is my defence; and my God is the rock of my refuge.
23 And he shall bring upon them their own iniquity,
and shall cut them off in their own wickedness;
yea, the LORD our God shall cut them off.
The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769.


we have an example of this in the story of Ester

they had set a date to excute all the Jews but lo and behold guess what ???????
    ~{Esther 9:1}~
    Now in the twelfth month, that is, the month Adar, on the thirteenth {13th} day of the same,
    when the king’s commandment and his decree drew near to be put in execution,
    in the day that the enemies of the Jews
hoped to have power over them,
(though it was turned to the contrary, that the Jews had rule over them that hated them;)
2 The Jews gathered themselves together in their cities throughout all the provinces of the king Ahasuerus,
to lay hand on such as sought their hurt: and no man could withstand them;
 for the fear of them fell upon all people.
3 And all the rulers of the provinces, and the lieutenants, and the deputies, and officers of the king,
helped the Jews; because the fear of Mordecai fell upon them.
4 For Mordecai was great in the king’s house, and his fame went out throughout all the provinces:
for this man Mordecai waxed greater and greater.
5 Thus the Jews smote all their enemies with the stroke of the sword,
and slaughter, and destruction, and did what they would unto those that hated them. [/list]
The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769.


just a little piece of history for you there,
when, if you are still alive to see it happen,
when the beast sets out to put to death those that won't bow,
is the Day God destroys the Beast.

So when they sign this death decree,
they are signing their own

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Re: Homosexuality
« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2007, 12:39:47 AM »
How about if we just say this

Sexual perversion of all sorts are just
    Visiting the
iniquities of the fathers unto the children of the 3 & 4th generations[/list]

 

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