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If "Only God hath immortality." (I Timothy 6:16).
« on: March 31, 2010, 08:25:59 AM »
If "Only God hath immortality." (I Timothy 6:16), then can Angels die?

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Re: If "Only God hath immortality." (I Timothy 6:16).
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2010, 08:10:26 PM »
Immorality in that sense also refers to time immemorial stretching backwards, not just forwards.  In that sense, the scripture speaks correctly in that God alone is immortal.
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Re: If "Only God hath immortality." (I Timothy 6:16).
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2010, 09:25:35 AM »
Satan was an angel and he will die.

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Re: If "Only God hath immortality." (I Timothy 6:16).
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2010, 07:26:43 PM »
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Immorality in that sense also refers to time immemorial stretching backwards, not just forwards.  In that sense, the scripture speaks correctly in that God alone is immortal.
It depends on how death is defined.

1. Spiritual death, such as when Adam & Eve sinned, thus facing expulsion from the Garden of Eden, along with the death of their mortal bodies.

2. Execution of spiritual judgment at the Great White Throne Judgment, where people will be judged without Jesus as an advocate. They will be be cast into the Lake of Fire where "the worm dieth not."
"So then, stand firm and hold to the traditions :o which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter" (2 Thessalonians 2:15).

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Re: If "Only God hath immortality." (I Timothy 6:16).
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2010, 04:32:55 PM »
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re: “They will be be cast into the Lake of Fire where "the worm dieth not.’”


OK, so we have immortal worms.  But where does it say that man is inherently immortal?

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Re: If "Only God hath immortality." (I Timothy 6:16).
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2010, 10:50:51 AM »
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re: “They will be be cast into the Lake of Fire where "the worm dieth not.’”


OK, so we have immortal worms.  But where does it say that man is inherently immortal?
God alone has immortality and that's why humans suffer a "mortal" death, ever since the fall of Adam and Eve. After the mortal body dies, a human either goes to heaven or hell where we await the final judgment, which is either the Great White Throne Judgment (for the unsaved) or the Judgment Seat of Christ (for the saved). Jesus told the story about Lazarus and the rich man. After their mortal bodies died, they went to their respective places. This aptly demonstrates two things:

1. The mortal body dies.

2. After the death of the mortal body, our souls go to two separate abodes, one for the saved and the other for the unsaved.

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Re: If "Only God hath immortality." (I Timothy 6:16).
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2010, 09:45:14 AM »
However, According to Paul, in 1 Cor.15:52-54, all of us who belong to Christ, will become immortal.  But the fact of the matter is, everyone is immortal from the time they are born [created].  The spirit/soul never dies, regardless of whether our citizenship is in heaven, or in the lake of fire.

As for Satan, his angels, they were all condemned from an immortal state.   Therefore, there is little reason to think the same thing could not happen to other angels, or any of us.

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Re: If "Only God hath immortality." (I Timothy 6:16).
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2010, 06:40:19 PM »
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However, According to Paul, in 1 Cor.15:52-54, all of us who belong to Christ, will become immortal.  But the fact of the matter is, everyone is immortal from the time they are born [created].  The spirit/soul never dies, regardless of whether our citizenship is in heaven, or in the lake of fire.

As for Satan, his angels, they were all condemned from an immortal state.   Therefore, there is little reason to think the same thing could not happen to other angels, or any of us.

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It also depends on how immortality is defined. Those who believe in soul sleep believe that humans completely cease to exist at death, similar to animals -- except that they believe in a future resurrection. I personally know that our mortal bodies die, but our souls/spirits continue to live after the death of our mortal bodies because Jesus said so and He cannot lie. :)
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Re: If "Only God hath immortality." (I Timothy 6:16).
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2010, 10:55:02 AM »
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However, According to Paul, in 1 Cor.15:52-54, all of us who belong to Christ, will become immortal.  But the fact of the matter is, everyone is immortal from the time they are born [created].  The spirit/soul never dies, regardless of whether our citizenship is in heaven, or in the lake of fire.

As for Satan, his angels, they were all condemned from an immortal state.   Therefore, there is little reason to think the same thing could not happen to other angels, or any of us.

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I would disagree that we are all immortal from birth.  We are born dead. The life we have is only of the flesh. Life is a gift from God and starts at salvation.
Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. This is the new birth.

The lost are nothing but the walking dead. The fact that their soul will continue on through eternity does not constitute life. As a matter of fact the lost will receive a new body and spend eternity in hell in the body that they loved so much.
Isaiah 48:18,Oh that you had paid attention to my commandments! Then your peace would have been like a river, and your righteousness like the waves of the sea.

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Re: If "Only God hath immortality." (I Timothy 6:16).
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2010, 11:26:16 AM »
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I would disagree that we are all immortal from birth.  We are born dead. The life we have is only of the flesh. Life is a gift from God and starts at salvation.
Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. This is the new birth.

The lost are nothing but the walking dead. The fact that their soul will continue on through eternity does not constitute life. As a matter of fact the lost will receive a new body and spend eternity in hell in the body that they loved so much.



Q: See Ecc.12:7!

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Re: If "Only God hath immortality." (I Timothy 6:16).
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2010, 02:05:58 PM »
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Q: See Ecc.12:7!

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Yes and I am aware of that passage, but is that speaking of the lost or saved? If it is speaking of the lost then the story that the Lord told about the rich man and Lazarus makes no sense. In fact it would be false.
The JW's use that passage to teach soul sleep.
Isaiah 48:18,Oh that you had paid attention to my commandments! Then your peace would have been like a river, and your righteousness like the waves of the sea.

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Re: If "Only God hath immortality." (I Timothy 6:16).
« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2010, 11:57:23 PM »
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It also depends on how immortality is defined. Those who believe in soul sleep believe that humans completely cease to exist at death, similar to animals -- except that they believe in a future resurrection. I personally know that our mortal bodies die, but our souls/spirits continue to live after the death of our mortal bodies because Jesus said so and He cannot lie. :)



Q: According to Ecc.12:7; 2 Cor.5:6-8; 1 Thes.4:14; Rev.6:9-11 and Rev.7:9-17, soul sleep is non-Scriptural.

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Re: If "Only God hath immortality." (I Timothy 6:16).
« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2010, 12:01:39 AM »
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Yes and I am aware of that passage, but is that speaking of the lost or saved? If it is speaking of the lost then the story that the Lord told about the rich man and Lazarus makes no sense. In fact it would be false.
The JW's use that passage to teach soul sleep.



Q: Ecc.12:7 refers to everyone who ever lived.  See Ez.18:4.  See my response to Me Again re soul sleep.

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Re: If "Only God hath immortality." (I Timothy 6:16).
« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2010, 07:58:45 AM »
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Q: Ecc.12:7 refers to everyone who ever lived.  See Ez.18:4.  See my response to Me Again re soul sleep.

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I am not so sure that the second passage supports the first or even explains it, but what part of the person who is lost goes to hell at death?
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Re: If "Only God hath immortality." (I Timothy 6:16).
« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2010, 10:12:55 AM »
According to 1 Cor.15:52-54, the bodies of all those resurrected will be changed in a twinkling of an eye, from perishable to imperishable and from mortal to immortal.

The second resurrection of Rev.20:5, just before the GWT judgement, in Rev.20:11-15, is described in Dan.12:2, where some will awake to everlasting life and others to shame and evelasting contempt.

Those who are relegated to everlasting contempt will have the very same bodily changes the righteous ones will have.  No perishable human body can last forever or keep from burning up.  See Isa.66:24 and Mk.9:48.

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