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Re: If "Only God hath immortality." (I Timothy 6:16).
« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2010, 10:28:06 AM »
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According to 1 Cor.15:52-54, the bodies of all those resurrected will be changed in a twinkling of an eye, from perishable to imperishable and from mortal to immortal.

The second resurrection of Rev.20:5, just before the GWT judgement, in Rev.20:11-15, is described in Dan.12:2, where some will awake to everlasting life and others to shame and evelasting contempt.

Those who are relegated to everlasting contempt will have the very same bodily changes the righteous ones will have.  No perishable human body can last forever or keep from burning up.  See Isa.66:24 and Mk.9:48.

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That is all well and good, but it does not answer my question. Perhaps I was not clear in what I wrote. When a person dies they either go to heaven or hell unless you believe in soul sleep. Let's not get into semantics on the terms heaven and hell. So if as you have suggested that both the lost and the saved's spirit go to be with the Lord what part of the lost person goes into hell at death?
Also I have one more question that has been lingering. Was/is Jesus God. Not a god or another god, but the one and only God of the bible?
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Isaiah 48:18,Oh that you had paid attention to my commandments! Then your peace would have been like a river, and your righteousness like the waves of the sea.

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Re: If "Only God hath immortality." (I Timothy 6:16).
« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2010, 09:22:44 PM »
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Q: According to Ecc.12:7; 2 Cor.5:6-8; 1 Thes.4:14; Rev.6:9-11 and Rev.7:9-17, soul sleep is non-Scriptural.


I vehemently disagree with the soul sleepers interpretation of the scriptures, but conversely, I fully understand how they would believe that false interpretation.

Regarding the walking dead...

We're born with original sin, yet if a child dies before the age of accountability, then he goes to heaven. That's pretty interesting, if you think about it.
"So then, stand firm and hold to the traditions :o which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter" (2 Thessalonians 2:15).

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Re: If "Only God hath immortality." (I Timothy 6:16).
« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2010, 10:22:43 PM »
What does the age of accountability have to do with anything?  If we are all predestined to heaven or hell, what difference would it make how old a person is?
 
Just arguing from a Calvinist perspective :p
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Re: If "Only God hath immortality." (I Timothy 6:16).
« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2010, 11:02:59 PM »
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What does the age of accountability have to do with anything?  If we are all predestined to heaven or hell, what difference would it make how old a person is?
 
Just arguing from a Calvinist perspective :p



I certainly do not hold that type of ultra Calvinist view.
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Re: If "Only God hath immortality." (I Timothy 6:16).
« Reply #19 on: October 01, 2010, 11:04:07 PM »
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I vehemently disagree with the soul sleepers interpretation of the scriptures, but conversely, I fully understand how they would believe that false interpretation.

Regarding the walking dead...

We're born with original sin, yet if a child dies before the age of accountability, then he goes to heaven. That's pretty interesting, if you think about it.



Can you show us in the bible the age of accountability?
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Re: If "Only God hath immortality." (I Timothy 6:16).
« Reply #20 on: October 02, 2010, 12:02:43 AM »
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Can you show us in the bible the age of accountability?
It's not in the bible. It's tradition. Is there an age of accountability? Is there an age when a person becomes eligible to go to hell? Are there any seven year old children in hell? How about 5 year old children? Again, at what age does a person become eligible to go to hell? It probably varies by the maturity level.

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What does the age of accountability have to do with anything?  If we are all predestined to heaven or hell, what difference would it make how old a person is?
 
Just arguing from a Calvinist perspective :p
I think that God knows who are His sheep. He knows who will go to heaven and who will go to hell. Does He give more salvational advantages to His sheep?

The people who go to hell are fully condemned by their own actions, words and thoughts. They went to hell of their own free will -- or did they?
"So then, stand firm and hold to the traditions :o which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter" (2 Thessalonians 2:15).

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Re: If "Only God hath immortality." (I Timothy 6:16).
« Reply #21 on: October 02, 2010, 08:46:15 AM »
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According to 1 Cor.15:52-54, the bodies of all those resurrected will be changed in a twinkling of an eye, from perishable to imperishable and from mortal to immortal.

The second resurrection of Rev.20:5, just before the GWT judgement, in Rev.20:11-15, is described in Dan.12:2, where some will awake to everlasting life and others to shame and evelasting contempt.

Those who are relegated to everlasting contempt will have the very same bodily changes the righteous ones will have.  No perishable human body can last forever or keep from burning up.  See Isa.66:24 and Mk.9:48.

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So what part of the person goes into hell at death if the spirit goes to God?And also is Jesus God? Not a god or another god, but the one and only God?
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Re: If "Only God hath immortality." (I Timothy 6:16).
« Reply #22 on: October 02, 2010, 12:48:07 PM »
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So what part of the person goes into hell at death if the spirit goes to God?And also is Jesus God? Not a god or another god, but the one and only God?



Q: Have you ever heard of a dispatcher?  That's exactly what God is pertaining to where the spirit/souls go after their physical death.  

The spirit and the soul are an inseparable duo that can only be separated by God, as recorded in Heb.4:12, as God is Himself, who is Spirit, as found in Isa.1:14.  The soul consists of our character, personality, emotions and everything that Identifies us as a one of a kind unique person, whether in the natural body or in the spiritual body, as recorded in 1 Cor.15:44.  The spirit is the body for the soul.

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Re: If "Only God hath immortality." (I Timothy 6:16).
« Reply #23 on: October 02, 2010, 01:19:40 PM »
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Q: Have you ever heard of a dispatcher?  That's exactly what God is pertaining to where the spirit/souls go after their physical death.  

The spirit and the soul are an inseparable duo that can only be separated by God, as recorded in Heb.4:12, as God is Himself, who is Spirit, as found in Isa.1:14.  The soul consists of our character, personality, emotions and everything that Identifies us as a one of a kind unique person, whether in the natural body or in the spiritual body, as recorded in 1 Cor.15:44.  The spirit is the body for the soul.

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So are you saying that the soul of the lost go to hell and the spirit of the lost returns to God?
Also is Jesus God? Not a god or another god, but the one and only God?
Isaiah 48:18,Oh that you had paid attention to my commandments! Then your peace would have been like a river, and your righteousness like the waves of the sea.

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Re: If "Only God hath immortality." (I Timothy 6:16).
« Reply #24 on: October 02, 2010, 01:24:27 PM »
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It's not in the bible. It's tradition. Is there an age of accountability? Is there an age when a person becomes eligible to go to hell? Are there any seven year old children in hell? How about 5 year old children? Again, at what age does a person become eligible to go to hell? It probably varies by the maturity level.

I think that God knows who are His sheep. He knows who will go to heaven and who will go to hell. Does He give more salvational advantages to His sheep?

The people who go to hell are fully condemned by their own actions, words and thoughts. They went to hell of their own free will -- or did they?


So if you admit that it is not in the bible doesn't that mean that you are adding to scripture and in danger of the punishments that scripture warns about?
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Re: If "Only God hath immortality." (I Timothy 6:16).
« Reply #25 on: October 02, 2010, 03:29:50 PM »
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So if you admit that it is not in the bible doesn't that mean that you are adding to scripture and in danger of the punishments that scripture warns about?
Yes, I confess that I believe things that are not in the bible. I also confess that I believe in certain traditions that were handed down from the apostles.

Would you like an example of something that isn't in the bible which I believe? :D

Ok!!! :drum:

Nowhere in the bible does it say that Jesus was married or unmarried. Neither does the bible say if Jesus did or did not have children. However, per the tradition that was handed down by the apostles, I accept their teaching that Jesus was unmarried and that He did not have children. This is NOT in the bible.

I admit that it is not in the bible. Does it mean that I am adding to scripture and that I am in danger of the punishments that scripture warns about? :boink:

Pray tell? :faint:

Snicker :snicker:
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Re: If "Only God hath immortality." (I Timothy 6:16).
« Reply #26 on: October 02, 2010, 06:12:40 PM »
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Yes, I confess that I believe things that are not in the bible. I also confess that I believe in certain traditions that were handed down from the apostles.

Would you like an example of something that isn't in the bible which I believe? :D

Ok!!! :drum:

Nowhere in the bible does it say that Jesus was married or unmarried. Neither does the bible say if Jesus did or did not have children. However, per the tradition that was handed down by the apostles, I accept their teaching that Jesus was unmarried and that He did not have children. This is NOT in the bible.

I admit that it is not in the bible. Does it mean that I am adding to scripture and that I am in danger of the punishments that scripture warns about? :boink:

Pray tell? :faint:

Snicker :snicker:



That is where you are in error. The bible never teaches that The Lord was married. That is not tradition that is silence and should be held that way. The idea that He did marry is adding to scripture. You example is flawed. So again do you think that because you add to scripture you will suffer the judgments that scripture says one will for adding to scripture?
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Re: If "Only God hath immortality." (I Timothy 6:16).
« Reply #27 on: October 02, 2010, 09:35:45 PM »
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That is where you are in error. The bible never teaches that The Lord was married. That is not tradition that is silence and should be held that way. The idea that He did marry is adding to scripture. You example is flawed. So again do you think that because you add to scripture you will suffer the judgments that scripture says one will for adding to scripture?
Tradition from the apostles teaches that Jesus was NOT[/b] married. However, the bible doesn't say that e.g. the bible is silent on the issue. So if I add a belief that Jesus was not married, even though the bible is silent on the issue, then will I suffer the judgments that scripture says one will for adding to scripture?
"So then, stand firm and hold to the traditions :o which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter" (2 Thessalonians 2:15).

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Re: If "Only God hath immortality." (I Timothy 6:16).
« Reply #28 on: October 03, 2010, 12:30:23 AM »
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That is all well and good, but it does not answer my question. Perhaps I was not clear in what I wrote. When a person dies they either go to heaven or hell unless you believe in soul sleep. Let's not get into semantics on the terms heaven and hell. So if as you have suggested that both the lost and the saved's spirit go to be with the Lord what part of the lost person goes into hell at death?
Also I have one more question that has been lingering. Was/is Jesus God. Not a god or another god, but the one and only God of the bible?



Q: I said God is the dispatcher and sends all those who do not believe in Jesus Christ to Sheol/Hades/Hell until the GWTJ.  They were comdemned in the beginning, according to Jn.3:18.  While all believers go to be with the Lord in heaven, according to 2 Cor.5:6-8.

Ecc.12:7 tells you the body is returned to the dust and the spirit returns to God who gave it.  The spirit is the body for the soul. an inseparable integral duo that only God can separate, as recorded in Heb.4:12.  Seen also in Jesus parable about Lazarus and the rich man in Lk.16:22-23. [Although it is an exact profile of OT Sheol, when both the righteous and the wicked went there, until Jesus shed blodd to atone for the sins of the OT righteous].

Re your last question as to Jesus deity, see Ps.45:6-7; 110:1 and Isa.7:14.  When that had been fulfilled, it was repeated in Mt.1:23; 22:44 and in Heb.1:8-9.  Which has nothing to do with the wubject of this thread.

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Re: If "Only God hath immortality." (I Timothy 6:16).
« Reply #29 on: October 03, 2010, 12:44:28 AM »
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So are you saying that the soul of the lost go to hell and the spirit of the lost returns to God?
Also is Jesus God? Not a god or another god, but the one and only God?



Q: Did you see where I wrote the spirit and the soul are an integral inseparable duo that only God can separate, from Heb.4:12?  That the soul is our character, personality, emotions and everything that make us a one of a kind unique person, whether in the human [natural] or the spiritual body?  That God, who is Spirit, also has a Soul?  Where the spirit goes, the soul goes with it.

The question as to Jesus deity has been addressed in my previous post.  There is God, who is the [invisible] Holy Spirit and Father of Jesus and Jesus the Son of God, according to the Scriptures.  Jn.1:18; 4:24; 2 Cor.3:17-18; Col.1:15; Lev.11:44-45; 1 Pet.1:15-16; Mt.1:20; Lk.1:32 and 35.

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