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Re: THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST
« Reply #45 on: August 25, 2013, 07:58:56 PM »
Here is a question to stir up the mix-

If human cloning becomes a reality (if it hasn't already), would those people have a soul/spirit, or would they just be "meat" for demons to inhabit?
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Re: THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST
« Reply #46 on: August 25, 2013, 08:40:23 PM »
I'm usually don't respond to hypothetical questions but my question in turn would be. If a demon could inhabit these people why couldn't the Spirit of God? God is the author of all life. Humans may twist and pervert things but all life comes from God. Which is why I doubt we'll ever see a true human clone.

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Re: THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST
« Reply #47 on: August 25, 2013, 09:49:33 PM »
It is a hypothetical.  I've been thinking about this some, but have not come to any conclusion yet as really we can't come to one with any certainty.

The flood happened when the Sons of God interbred with the daughters of men.  There are some that believe the human DNA was so corrupted that God decided to wipe all of humanity out and start over with the only uncorrupted family, Noah's.

Of course, that's only a theory, and not really supported by scripture.  I have a friend that wrote a whole fiction series about it.
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Re: THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST
« Reply #48 on: August 26, 2013, 09:01:58 PM »
Gen 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
Gen 6:2  That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.


Yeah... conspiracy theories abound when it comes to these texts. However, I don't think we need to read into it anymore than what it says. I believe that the sons of God were those still loyal to God and the sons of men were simply unbelievers probably descendants of Cain.

Deu 29:29  The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.

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Re: THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST
« Reply #49 on: August 27, 2013, 09:12:31 AM »
Here is a question to stir up the mix-

If human cloning becomes a reality (if it hasn't already), would those people have a soul/spirit, or would they just be "meat" for demons to inhabit?

LOL OMG  ;D

Oh boy... tough question... My inclination is to say yes, they would be eligible for salvation if they had a human soul, but would they have a human soul?
"So then, stand firm and hold to the traditions :o which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter" (2 Thessalonians 2:15).

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Re: THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST
« Reply #50 on: August 27, 2013, 09:30:52 AM »
The key here is 666 is NOT a number stamped on forehead etc etc, but it is the number of a MAN.
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Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable--if anything is excellent or praiseworthy--think about such things. Philippian

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Re: THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST
« Reply #51 on: August 27, 2013, 09:50:52 AM »
LOL OMG  ;D

Oh boy... tough question... My inclination is to say yes, they would be eligible for salvation if they had a human soul, but would they have a human soul?
I change my mind. God man man in His image -- not in the image of a beast.
"So then, stand firm and hold to the traditions :o which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter" (2 Thessalonians 2:15).

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Re: THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST
« Reply #52 on: August 27, 2013, 09:53:15 AM »
What is a soul?

>>>>And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

(breath and spirit---- same word)

We are a soul, we do not 'have' one...
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Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable--if anything is excellent or praiseworthy--think about such things. Philippian

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Re: THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST
« Reply #53 on: August 27, 2013, 06:32:27 PM »
The integration of spirit (the part of us that is in God's image) and flesh is what makes the soul.

"It is the breath of the Almighty that gives man understanding."

A body without a soul would just be a slightly more able animal.
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Re: THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST
« Reply #54 on: August 28, 2013, 10:39:54 AM »
What is a soul?

>>>>And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

(breath and spirit---- same word)

We are a soul, we do not 'have' one...

Stan, I acknowledge that teaching, but disagree with the conclusion that is drawn from it e.g. that the soul ceases to exist at the death of the mortal body. At death, the physical brain deteriorates, but the soul lives forever, either in heaven with God or in hell without God. The soul is intertwined with the spirit.

At your mortal death, you will fully appreciate this reality. LOL  :)
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Re: THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST
« Reply #55 on: August 28, 2013, 08:33:09 PM »
Eze 18:4  Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Eze 18:20  The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

It appears to me that you believe the devil when he whispered the following lie to Eve.

Gen_3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
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Re: THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST
« Reply #56 on: August 29, 2013, 12:39:18 PM »
It appears to me that you believe the devil when he whispered the following lie to Eve.

Gen_3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

Jesus presented the concept of the soul continuing in death in the story of Lazarus and the rich man. If the concept were of Satanic origin, then Jesus would not have presented it.
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Re: THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST
« Reply #57 on: August 29, 2013, 07:19:03 PM »
**ahem***

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Re: THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST
« Reply #58 on: August 30, 2013, 08:50:12 AM »
**ahem***

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I was actually thinking about this and other issues last night. There are people who are sincerely wrong, yet despite these differences, we are required to love one another. We are not required to love false doctrines, but we are asked by Jesus to love those who have false doctrines. LOL  ;D
"So then, stand firm and hold to the traditions :o which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter" (2 Thessalonians 2:15).

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Re: THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST
« Reply #59 on: August 30, 2013, 10:55:09 AM »
Jesus presented the concept of the soul continuing in death in the story of Lazarus and the rich man. If the concept were of Satanic origin, then Jesus would not have presented it.

"Let everything be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses" has been the bedrock for proper exegesis of scripture.  You can't take one parable and make a doctrine out of it without other supporting scripture.
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