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Re: Three Days and Three Nights
« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2013, 08:25:27 AM »
Since it's been awhile, perhaps someone new looking in will know of some writing. 

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Re: Three Days and Three Nights
« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2013, 12:39:32 PM »
Since it's been awhile, perhaps someone new looking in will know of some writing.



It doesn't matter whose writings you may find as to the length of time Jesus spent in the heart of the earth.  No one is going to prove Mt.12:40 by trying to make the day He was buried on a Friday.

I suggest you review the following:

http://theologyreview.com/index.php/topic,7394.0.html


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Re: Three Days and Three Nights
« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2013, 01:54:08 PM »
Quasar,

re:  "It doesn't matter whose writings you may find as to the length of time Jesus spent in the heart of the earth."

That's ok because that's not what I'm asking. 


re:  "No one is going to prove Mt.12:40 by trying to make the day He was buried on a Friday."

That's ok because I'm not asking anyone to do that.



re:  "I suggest you review thefollowing: http://theologyreview.com/index.php/topic,7394.0.html"

Nowhere in your link does someone provide the requested documentation that shows an example from the first century or before regarding a period of time that is said to consist of a specific number of days as well as a specific number of nights where the period of time absolutely doesn't/can't include at least a part of each one of the specific number of days and at least a part of each one of the specific number of nights.

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Re: Three Days and Three Nights
« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2013, 04:28:15 PM »
It would help if you would say what you mean in the first place.  As I stated previously, the Scriptures are as clear as crystsl in what Jesus stated in Mt.12:40, which was three days and three nights.  Your desire to alter the Scriptures to say what you think they ought to say will not change anything they do say.


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Re: Three Days and Three Nights
« Reply #19 on: April 14, 2013, 09:24:40 AM »


Quasar,

re:  "It would help if you would say what you mean in the first place."

I've said "what" in the OP. 



re:  " Your desire to alter the Scriptures to say what you think they ought to say will not change anything they do say."

Where have I done that?

I probably should have addressed the OP to those who think that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week. 

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Re: Three Days and Three Nights
« Reply #20 on: April 14, 2013, 10:04:07 AM »
I started a forum a couple of weeks ago, just dedicated to this issue..

http://thedaychristrosefromthedead.info
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Re: Three Days and Three Nights
« Reply #21 on: April 14, 2013, 10:50:42 AM »
Stan,

re:  "I started a forum a couple of weeks ago, just dedicated to this issue."

Sounds good.  I'll check it from time to time to see if anyone has the information asked for in my OP. 

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Re: Three Days and Three Nights
« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2013, 12:25:29 PM »
The following is from two different Jewish sources that should respond to your OP, rstrats.  The first one might answer your question.

How does the Messiah's crucifixion fit into the three days?

Now the events that led up to His crucifixion follow.

o The Messiah ate the Passover with His disciples at the rented room (Mt. 26:17-18), where Judas left to betray Him (Mt. 26:23). The Passover began Thursday evening at 6:00 p.m.

o After the dinner the Messiah went to the garden of Gethsemane to pray with His disciples. It was here that Judas brought the high priests with guards to apprehend him (Jn. 18:1-4).

o All during the night the high priests, Herod, and Pontus Pilate interrogated Him (Mt. 27:1-25; John 18:19-40) and put Him on trial.

o Finally, at 9:00 a.m. Friday morning, they put the Messiah on the cross (Mk. 15:25), along with the two thieves, to fulfill the priests offering morning sacrifices on the altar in the temple. See chart below)

o 9:00 a.m. is the 3rd hour of the Hebrew day, for the daylight period started at 6:00 a.m. which is sunrise.

What happened at the Messiah's death?

All accounts of the Messiah's crucifixion state that it turned dark over the face of the earth from the sixth hour, which is noon, to ninth hour, which is 3:00 p.m. So from noon to 3:00 p.m. in the afternoon it was dark which was the same as night. (See chart below)

Now this fulfilled the prophet Amos' prophecy. "I [Yahweh] will cause the sun to go down at noon, and I will darken the earth in the clear day." Isaiah wrote that the stars and moons and constellations would not shine during this period.

Since it was dark from noon to 3:00 p.m., this means the sun had to be going down during the period from 9:00 a.m. to 12:00 noon, making the normal morning a twilight period. Clearly, when the people saw morning time turning into night, they thought this was the end of the world.

At 3:00 p.m. in the evening it started to get light again. So the period between 3:00 p.m. and 6:00 p.m. was likened unto sunrise. At 6:00 p.m., the sun was in the sky as noon. Now this fulfilled Zechariah's prophecy "…it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light…"

The three days and nights

This gives a total of 3 DAYS and 3 NIGHTS as the Messiah said in Matthew 12:40. The resurrection occurred during the early dawn of the NEW DAY, the 1st day of the week SUNDAY morning, SATURDAY being the Sabbath Day.

When His disciples asked Him about the signs of His coming and the end of the age, which was the Post-Diluvian age, Yahshua told them about the signs in the heaven. He said to them: "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken (Mt. 24:29):"

It is clear that many Christians have missed this prophecy of the three days and nights and confused it with the end of our age of Grace. Now before concluding this article one has to see the principles of darkness that occurred at the Messiah's resurrection reoccurring at the end of other ages or worlds.

How did darkness occur at the end or beginning of an Age?

What must be understood about the three days and nights is that it is a principle that repeats itself at the beginning or the end of an age. Although there might not be a physical 3 days and nights, there is the principle of darkness before there is light. (See p. 32, "What does the fifth vial of darkness symbolize?" in the "7 Plagues, Part Two (The Last Four Plagues)" of the Revelation section in the November/December 1995 issue of the "PLIM REPORT.")

o Before the creation of life on earth, it was immersed in darkness (Gen. 1:1-3).

o Adam and Eve were cast out of the garden in the cool of the day (Gen. 3:8, 23-24) or as it was turning dark over the face of the earth.

o At the time of the flood, which destroyed the age, there was darkness for this period before the new age or world began.

o There was darkness in Egypt for three days (Exo. 10:21-22) before Israel began their migration out to the Promised Land.

o The Messiah's death ended the Post-Diluvian age or world with darkness and His resurrection began the New Age of Grace.

o In the book of Revelation, John sees physical darkness with death and destruction covering the earth again before the new age or world begins (Rev. 8:12; 16:10).

In conclusion, the spiritual reality of the three days and nights was a reflection of the light and darkness in the three ages of time (Ante-Diluvian, Post-Diluvian, and Present Age of Grace). However, the real mystery of the three days and three nights is that darkness reigning in mankind's mind before the DAYSTAR appears to bring about the New World or a resurrected state (2 Pet. 2:19).

The Apostle Paul said: "For Elohim (God), who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of Elohim (God) in the face of Yahshua the Messiah (Jesus Christ, 2 Cor 4:6)."
By Dr. Lee Warren,

From: http://www.occult-advances.org/nc-rel-messiah-resurrection.shtml


FROM ANOTHER SOURCE:

 Benjamin Luschen's comment on 2013-01-21 15:27:17:

Shalom! The sign of Jonah was the only sign given to the Jews, that Jesus was indeed the Messiah. This sign was asked for as a miracle. It symbolized the death, burial and resurrection of the Lord. To be reckoned by the Jews as dead He had to be in the heart of the earth 3 days and 3 nights. Jews embalmed after 3 days the body. When the women went Sunday morning Jesus was at least 3 full days dead. Because nights are mentioned He has to be 72 hours in the heart of the earth. His resurrection was the miracle and preached through the disciples, many believed, but the leaders did not repent, they spread a lie, that His disciples had stolen the body, in spite of a guard at the tomb. Nineveh repented as a nation, Israel missed it, and was destroyed in 70 AD.

http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Matthew-12-40/


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Re: Three Days and Three Nights
« Reply #23 on: April 14, 2013, 01:39:28 PM »
Quasar,

re:  "The following is from two different Jewish sources that should respond to your OP, rstrats."

I'm afraid I don't see where either of the sources show an example regarding a period of time that is said to consist of a specific number of days as well as a specific number of nights where the period of time absolutely can't include at least a part of each one of the specific number of days and at least a part of each one of the specific number of nights.  However, the first one theorizes a possible scenario that I have never heard before, so maybe I'm missing it.  Perhaps you could explain how it shows an actual use of a phrase as requested in the OP? 
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Re: Three Days and Three Nights
« Reply #24 on: April 14, 2013, 07:09:04 PM »
Quasar,

re:  "The following is from two different Jewish sources that should respond to your OP, rstrats."

I'm afraid I don't see where either of the sources show an example regarding a period of time that is said to consist of a specific number of days as well as a specific number of nights where the period of time absolutely can't include at least a part of each one of the specific number of days and at least a part of each one of the specific number of nights.  However, the first one theorizes a possible scenario that I have never heard before, so maybe I'm missing it.  Perhaps you could explain how it shows an actual use of a phrase as requested in the OP?

Show us how to get three days and three nights or any part of such with a Friday crucifixion.
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Re: Three Days and Three Nights
« Reply #25 on: April 14, 2013, 07:49:24 PM »
saved,

re:  "Show us how to get three days and three nights or any part of such with a Friday crucifixion."

I wish I could, but it is impossible.  However, 6th day crucifixion proponents say that it is an idiom that doesn't have to include at least a part of each one of the days and at least a part of each one of the nights.  If that was an accepted way of treating such a phrase in the first century, then I would think that there should be at least one example where that absolutley has to be the case. I am simply asking them to back up their idiom contention with supporting documentation.   

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« Reply #26 on: April 14, 2013, 08:22:46 PM »
saved,

re:  "Show us how to get three days and three nights or any part of such with a Friday crucifixion."

I wish I could, but it is impossible.  However, 6th day crucifixion proponents say that it is an idiom that doesn't have to include at least a part of each one of the days and at least a part of each one of the nights.  If that was an accepted way of treating such a phrase in the first century, then I would think that there should be at least one example where that absolutley has to be the case. I am simply asking them to back up their idiom contention with supporting documentation.
The only people that use that formula are those who have turned their brains off. There is no possible way to get three days and three nights with a Friday Crucifixion even with parts of days and nights.
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Re: Three Days and Three Nights
« Reply #27 on: April 15, 2013, 10:25:15 AM »
Quasar,

re:  "The following is from two different Jewish sources that should respond to your OP, rstrats."

I'm afraid I don't see where either of the sources show an example regarding a period of time that is said to consist of a specific number of days as well as a specific number of nights where the period of time absolutely can't include at least a part of each one of the specific number of days and at least a part of each one of the specific number of nights.  However, the first one theorizes a possible scenario that I have never heard before, so maybe I'm missing it.  Perhaps you could explain how it shows an actual use of a phrase as requested in the OP?


The fact of the matter is, they both clearly reveal the certainty of three days and three nights Hesus spent in the earth, based on the the concepts of both.  FYI, their is a never ending controversy on this very issue that will probably never end to suit everyone.


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Re: Three Days and Three Nights
« Reply #28 on: April 15, 2013, 01:21:41 PM »

The fact of the matter is, they both clearly reveal the certainty of three days and three nights Hesus spent in the earth, based on the the concepts of both.  FYI, their is a never ending controversy on this very issue that will probably never end to suit everyone.


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I would be interested in seeing your math with a Friday crucifixion on how you get three days and three nights.
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Re: Three Days and Three Nights
« Reply #29 on: April 24, 2013, 11:58:02 AM »
Quasar,

re:  "The fact of the matter is, they both clearly reveal the certainty of three days and three nights Hesus spent in the earth..."

That's an issue for another topic.  For the purpose of this one, I'm only concerned with what is asked for in the OP.

 

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