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Re: Three Days and Three Nights
« Reply #60 on: February 23, 2016, 10:52:17 AM »
Mt.12:39-20 happen to be one of those examples where part of a day made Jesus remarks a true fact!  Not speculation, as seen in the following:


The Hebrew day begins at sunset the day before and fulfills the prophecy:

Wednesday @ sunset = Thursday = 24 hours

Thursday @ sunset = Friday = 24 hours = Passover Sabbath

Friday @ sunset = Saturday =24 hours = seventh day Sabbath

Sunday morning, first day of the week = Jesus resurrected.

Describes Jesus in the tomb for three days and three nights, confirming Mt.12:40.


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Re: Three Days and Three Nights
« Reply #61 on: February 23, 2016, 01:25:41 PM »
This has to be the longest discussion ever....started in November of 2012...lol   ;D
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Re: Three Days and Three Nights
« Reply #62 on: February 23, 2016, 01:43:38 PM »


With the new year upon us, maybe there will be someone new looking in who knows of examples as requested in the OP and clarified in further posts. And again, remember that the purpose of this topic is not to discuss how long the Messiah was in the heart of the earth. As stated, there are other topics that do that. However, there are those who say that Matthew 12:40 is using common Jewish idiomatic language. But in order to say that it was common, one would have to know of other instances where the same pattern had to have been used. I am simply looking for some of those instances, scriptural or otherwise. So far no one has come forth with any.

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Re: Three Days and Three Nights
« Reply #63 on: February 24, 2016, 12:26:30 AM »
Go to any Jewish ministry of the Gospel and you will get your answer!  Such as Jew's For Jesus, His Chosen People Ministries, or any other of many you can find by doing a Google or Bing search!

As I said before, they count any part of a day as a full day, in any prophecy.


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Re: Three Days and Three Nights
« Reply #64 on: February 24, 2016, 06:55:48 AM »
Quasar,
re:  "Go to any Jewish ministry of the Gospel and you will get your answer! "

Do you know for a fact that they show examples where a daytime or a night time was forecast to be involved with an event when no part of the daytime or no part of the night time could have occurred? 


 re:  "As I said before, they count any part of a day as a full day, in any prophecy."

Agree.  But where are there examples of them counting a daytime or a night time as a daytime or a night time when no part of the daytime and no part of the night time could have taken place?

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Re: Three Days and Three Nights
« Reply #65 on: February 24, 2016, 11:28:44 AM »
I gave you my answer to that in my previous post.  Why don't you take the time to start doing some investigating on your own?


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Re: Three Days and Three Nights
« Reply #66 on: February 25, 2016, 07:26:23 AM »
Quasar,
re:  "I gave you my answer to that in my previous post."

I don't see where any of your posts give examples of a daytime or a night time being forecast to be involved with an event when no part of the daytime or no part of the night time could have taken place.
 

re:  "Why don't you take the time to start doing some investigating on your own?"

I didn't make the 6th day of the week crucifixion advocates' assertion that the missing night of Matthew 12:40 can be explained by a common idiomatic use of the language of the time.   It behooves them to support their assertion with examples. 

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« Reply #67 on: February 25, 2016, 12:19:46 PM »
When are you going to the party and understand, you aren't going to find the answer you're asking for here, since none that you have been given suits you?  One more time...you're going to have to put your question into a search engine and see what you get from that!  As if it is of any consequence at all.


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Re: Three Days and Three Nights
« Reply #68 on: February 26, 2016, 05:44:31 AM »
Quasar,
re:  "...you aren't going to find the answer you're asking for here, since none that you have been given suits you..." 

The comments haven't "suited" me because they have been non responsive to my question.


re:  "One more time...you're going to have to put your question into a search engine and see what you get from that!"

I have and haven't found where a daytime or a night time was forecast in the first century to be involved with an event when no part of the daytime or no part of the night time could have taken place. 

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Re: Three Days and Three Nights
« Reply #69 on: February 26, 2016, 10:22:03 AM »
Since you seem to be unable to do this for yourself, I will do it for you.  The only relevance I can find about the basis for your questioning this issue, is that you doubt what the Scriptures say about it.



DAY (Hebrew, "yom"):

By: Emil G. Hirsch, Michael Friedländer


In the Bible, the season of light (Gen. i. 5), lasting "from dawn [lit. "the rising of the morning"] to the coming forth of the stars" (Neh. iv. 15, 17). The term "day" is used also to denote a period of twenty-four hours (Ex. xxi. 21).

In Jewish communal life part of a day is at times reckoned as one day; e.g., the day of the funeral, even when the latter takes place late in the afternoon, is counted as the first of the seven days of mourning; a short time in the morning of the seventh day is counted as the seventh day; circumcision takes place on the eighth day, even though of the first day only a few minutes remained after the birth of the child, these being counted as one day.

Again, a man who hears of a vow made by his wife or his daughter, and desires to cancel the vow, must do so on the same day on which he hears of it, as otherwise the protest has no effect; even if the hearing takes place a little time before night, the annulment must be done within that little time. The day is reckoned from evening to evening—i.e., night and day—except in reference to sacrifices, where daytime and the night following constitute one day (Lev. vii. 15; see Calendar).

"The day" denotes: (a) Day of the Lord; (b) the Day of Atonement; (c) the treatise of the Mishnah that contains the laws concerning the Day of Atonement (See Yoma and Sabbath).

Source:  http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/5007-day


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Re: Three Days and Three Nights
« Reply #70 on: February 26, 2016, 10:42:49 AM »
Quasar,
re:  "Since you seem to be unable to do this for yourself, I will do it for you."

In order for your Jewish Encyclopedia article to be analogous to my question, it would have to show where a calendar day was counted as a calendar day when no part of the calendar day could have taken place.  It doesn't do that.



re:  "The only relevance I can find about the basis for your questioning this issue, is that you doubt what the Scriptures say about it."

Where have I done that?   To which of my posts are you referring?

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Re: Three Days and Three Nights
« Reply #71 on: February 26, 2016, 11:16:45 PM »
Quasar,
re:  "Since you seem to be unable to do this for yourself, I will do it for you."

In order for your Jewish Encyclopedia article to be analogous to my question, it would have to show where a calendar day was counted as a calendar day when no part of the calendar day could have taken place.  It doesn't do that.



re:  "The only relevance I can find about the basis for your questioning this issue, is that you doubt what the Scriptures say about it."

Where have I done that?   To which of my posts are you referring?


And just where in the Bible do you find a calendar day was counted as a calendar day when no part of the calendar day could have taken place? 


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Re: Three Days and Three Nights
« Reply #72 on: February 27, 2016, 07:43:27 AM »
Quasar,
re:  "And just where in the Bible do you find a calendar day was counted as a calendar day when no part of the calendar day could have taken place?"

Nowhere that I'm aware of.   And where is a night time counted as a night time when no part of a night time could have occurred?

BTW, you have a question directed to you in post #70.

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Re: Three Days and Three Nights
« Reply #73 on: February 27, 2016, 12:20:27 PM »
In order for you to find the answers to your questions on this issue, it will be necessary to understand the ancient Hebrew way of determining their day and night time definitions, such as the following:

The Jews appear anciently to have divided the night (from sunset to sunrise) into three watches. (Judges 7:19; Ex. 14:24; I Sam.:1 ; Lam. 2:19.) But in the time of Christ the night was divided into four watches. (Matt. 14:25; Mark 6:48.) Hence Christ said that the master of the house might come "at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning." Mark 13:35.

It also appears that the Jews divided the night (from sunset to sunrise) into hours. Luke says that it was "at the third hour of the night" (Acts 23 :23) that Lysias sent Paul, escorted by soldiers, from Jerusalem to Caesarea. This was nine o'clock in the evening. The Lord's messenger comments thus : "At nine in the evening, the body of soldiers, with Paul in the midst, marched out of the fortress, and through the dark and silent streets of the city, and at a rapid pace pursued their journey toward Caesarea."—Sketches From the Life of Paul, p. 227. (Many Bible commentators concur in this opinion.)

https://www.ministrymagazine.org/archive/1946/04/jewish-division-of-day-into-hours

 See following charts:

http://www.agapebiblestudy.com/charts/jewishtimedivision.htm


Re your question in post #70:  Are you not questioning the viability of the written word?  IMO, you are.


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Re: Three Days and Three Nights
« Reply #74 on: February 28, 2016, 07:50:38 AM »
Quasar,
re:  "In order for you to find the answers to your questions on this issue, it will be necessary to understand the ancient Hebrew way of determining their day and night time definitions, such as the following:"

There is only one topic question:  "What examples from the first century or before are there which show that it was common to forecast a daytime or a night time being involved with an event when no part of the daytime or no part of the night time could actually have occurred?"  To that end I don't see where your comments or links provide the requested examples.



re:  "Re your question in post #70:  Are you not questioning the viability of the written word?" 

Absolutely not.  Specifically what have I written that could give you that idea? 

 

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