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When Panic comes
« on: April 14, 2013, 09:15:30 AM »
It seems that panic comes upon people when they see that someone else posts something that is not the same as they view things.

I have found, after 20+ years of social media experience, those who have the weakest position get upset the most.
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Re: When Panic comes
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2013, 02:34:18 PM »
I was standing in a line outside a large revival meeting and saw a couple of guys dressed in immaculate suits loudly proclaiming to everyone that would listen that we are all going to hell because we don't believe that the King James Version is the only true bible.

I walked up and asked them a question- "So if I go to China, do I have to teach them 17th century Elizabethan English before I can tell them about Jesus, or would a bible translated into Mandarin be ok?"

They both looked at me for a moment, and then said...."But....my pastor says...."

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Re: When Panic comes
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2013, 08:16:39 PM »
There could be volumes done on text that were added in the King James Version that did not exist, that are not in other versions.

MY Opinion, the KJV is the most majestic version.

And we should follow what the preface says of the translators of the KJV that we need to read many version to understand the meanings.
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Re: When Panic comes
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2013, 05:52:12 AM »
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I was standing in a line outside a large revival meeting and saw a couple of guys dressed in immaculate suits loudly proclaiming to everyone that would listen that we are all going to hell because we don't believe that the King James Version is the only true bible.

I walked up and asked them a question- "So if I go to China, do I have to teach them 17th century Elizabethan English before I can tell them about Jesus, or would a bible translated into Mandarin be ok?"

They both looked at me for a moment, and then said...."But....my pastor says...."

:/

Good response...
« Last Edit: April 30, 2013, 05:54:29 AM by Stan »
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Re: When Panic comes
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2013, 10:06:38 AM »
I prefer and trust the KJV. However, I wonder what they think of the Bible that Luther translated while in exile?

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Re: When Panic comes
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2013, 08:55:19 AM »
I prefer and trust the KJV. However, I wonder what they think of the Bible that Luther translated while in exile?

Do you have a link to it? Didn't he want to exclude the book of James???
"So then, stand firm and hold to the traditions :o which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter" (2 Thessalonians 2:15).

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Re: When Panic comes
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2013, 03:56:14 PM »
I don't have a link to it and it wouldn't do me any good since it was written in the then common language at the time. I know that he didn't like the book of James but I had never heard that he actually left it out in his translation. I'd be interested in knowing whether or not that is actually true. Seems might dangerous for a student of the Word to do that since there are warnings against adding to and subtracting from the Bible.

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Re: When Panic comes
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2013, 04:10:52 PM »
In the preface to the 1611 version, they talked about the difficulties of translation, and recommended people read many different translations.

I agree with them.
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Re: When Panic comes
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2013, 12:41:47 PM »
In the preface to the 1611 version, they talked about the difficulties of translation, and recommended people read many different translations.

I agree with them.

Here are a few examples of translational comparisons of the words of the angry thief who was hung on a cross next to the Lord Jesus:

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What Must a Thief Do to be Saved?

Straight is the gate and narrow is the way that leads to salvation – and few there be that find it. (Matt. 7:14) If the element of salvation is so seemingly simple, then why is it that so many people miss it? (Matt. 7:13-141) In simple terms, the bible says that if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, then you will be saved. (Rom. 10:9) Prior to the resurrection of Christ, one thief on the cross adjacent to Jesus articulated faith in Him – and the Lord subsequently promised him salvation. (Luke 23:42-43) The other thief mockingly railed against Jesus, saying, "Are you not the Christ? Save yourself and us!" (Luke 23:39) He expressed unbelief and needed a sign. The following compares and contrasts the unbelief of the thief by examining multiple bible translations from Luke 23:39 of what he said to Jesus. This will provide a clearer appreciation of his vitriolic tirade:

 One of the criminals hanging beside Him scoffed, “So you’re the Messiah, are you? Prove it by saving Yourself – and us too, while You’re at it!” (NLT)
 One of the criminals…scoffed… (NLT)
 …began to shout insults at Jesus… (NCV)
 …spoke bad words to Him… (NLV)
 …made fun of Jesus… (NIRV)
 …spoke insultingly to him… (DARBY)
 …kept deriding him… (NRSVCE)
 …blasphemed Him… (KJV)
 …hurled insults at him… (NIV)
 …railed at him… (RSV)
 …reviled him… (LEB)

Whoever believes in Jesus and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be damned. (Mark 16:16) By our own words are we justified and by our own words are we damned. (Matt. 12:37) In this instance, one thief was saved by his simple faith in Jesus, while the other thief was eternally damned by his own words-of-rejection and by his own mocking unbelief in the Lord. We will all have to give an account for every word that we speak. (Matt. 12:36) This should cause us to be very careful about the words that we allow to come out of our mouth.

Reading multiple translations can give us greater insight into what was actually said.
« Last Edit: June 02, 2013, 12:44:19 PM by me again »
"So then, stand firm and hold to the traditions :o which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter" (2 Thessalonians 2:15).

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Re: When Panic comes
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2013, 12:49:09 PM »
I don't have a link to it and it wouldn't do me any good since it was written in the then common language at the time. I know that he didn't like the book of James but I had never heard that he actually left it out in his translation. I'd be interested in knowing whether or not that is actually true. Seems might dangerous for a student of the Word to do that since there are warnings against adding to and subtracting from the Bible.

I can't vouch for the accuracy of the following websites, but they discuss why Luther wanted the book of James removed from the canon:

http://catholicdefense.blogspot.com/2011/11/martin-luther-and-book-of-james.html

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090903155849AAIIBg4

http://www.biblestudy.org/question/why-did-martin-luther-want-book-of-james-out-of-bible.html

"So then, stand firm and hold to the traditions :o which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter" (2 Thessalonians 2:15).

 

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