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“Why do we no longer need to ask for forgiveness for a sin?”

Sin is sin and we should never take it lightly (Eph 5:6). Grace does not take it lightly in that it requires the perfect blood of the Son of God to pay the penalty for our sins. Just one sin condemns us to death. Christ saves us from that judgment with the work he finished by the cross.

The reason we do not need to ask God to forgive is that he already has forgiven us. The work is complete. He is offering it to you already. Our conversation to God should be belief and gratitude that he has forgiven us through Christ’s blood.


“In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins” – Colossians 1:14

Praying for God to do something he has already done only shows a lack of faith in his finished work. A child would not ask a parent for lunch if the plate is sitting in front of them. Their response should be “thank you”. In the same way, we thank God for his forgiveness handed to us on the platter of grace.

God has already forgiven those who trust the gospel of Christ.


“And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ’s sake hath forgiven you. ” – Ephesians 4:32

God offers this forgiveness to everyone in the world. They need not ask him to forgive, but merely trust that his offer is valid through the blood of Jesus. This is the gospel that saves. This is the ministry of reconciliation. God is reconciled to you, be ye reconciled to God!


“To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.” – 2 Cor 5:19
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Re: “Why do we no longer need to ask for forgiveness for a sin?”
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2013, 09:34:55 AM »
While it is true that we are forgiven also true is the need to come face to face with God in prayer confessing our willful disobedience against Him or to say confess our sin.
Isaiah 48:18,Oh that you had paid attention to my commandments! Then your peace would have been like a river, and your righteousness like the waves of the sea.

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Re: “Why do we no longer need to ask for forgiveness for a sin?”
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2013, 09:54:50 AM »
Is eternal security a "license" to sin?

The most frequent objection to the doctrine of eternal security is that it supposedly allows people to live any way that they want and still be saved. While this may be "technically" true, it is not true in reality. A person who has truly been redeemed by Jesus Christ will not live a life characterized by continuous, willful sin. We must draw a distinction between how a Christian should live and what a person must do in order to receive salvation.

The Bible is clear that salvation is by grace alone, through faith alone, in Jesus Christ alone (John 3:16; Ephesians 2:8-9; John 14:6). The moment a person truly believes in Jesus Christ, he or she is saved and secure in that salvation. Salvation is not gained by faith, but then maintained by works. The apostle Paul addresses this issue in Galatians 3:3 when he asks, "Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort?" If we are saved by faith, our salvation is also maintained and secured by faith. We cannot earn our own salvation. Therefore, neither can we earn the maintenance of our salvation. It is God who maintains our salvation (Jude 24). It is God's hand that holds us firmly in His grasp (John 10:28-29). It is God's love that nothing can separate us from (Romans 8:38-39).

Any denial of eternal security is, in its essence, a belief that we must maintain our own salvation by our own good works and efforts. This is completely antithetical to salvation by grace. We are saved because of Christ's merits, not our own (Romans 4:3-8). To claim that we must obey God's Word or live a godly life to maintain our salvation is saying that Jesus' death was not sufficient to pay the penalty for our sins. Jesus' death was absolutely sufficient to pay for all of our sins—past, present, and future, pre-salvation and post-salvation (Romans 5:8; 1 Corinthians 15:3; 2 Corinthians 5:21).

Does this mean that a Christian can live any way he wants to and still be saved? This is essentially a hypothetical question, because the Bible makes it clear that a true Christian will not live "any way he wants to." Christians are new creations (2 Corinthians 5:17). Christians demonstrate the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23), not the acts of the flesh (Galatians 5:19-21). First John 3:6-9 clearly states that a true Christian will not live in continual sin. In response to the accusation that grace promotes sin, the apostle Paul declared, "What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?" (Romans 6:1-2).

Eternal security is not a license to sin. Rather, it is the security of knowing that God's love is guaranteed for those who trust in Christ. Knowing and understanding God's tremendous gift of salvation accomplishes the opposite of giving a license to sin. How could anyone, knowing the price Jesus Christ paid for us, go on to live a life of sin (Romans 6:15-23)? How could anyone who understands God's unconditional and guaranteed love for those who believe, take that love and throw it back in God's face? Such a person is demonstrating not that eternal security has given him a license to sin, but rather that he or she has not truly experienced salvation through Jesus Christ. "No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him" (1 John 3:6).

Recommended Resource: Eternal Security by Charles Stanley.


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Re: “Why do we no longer need to ask for forgiveness for a sin?”
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2013, 10:04:37 AM »
We are not only kept saved, but we are kept from the practice of sinning. It is repentance that allows for grace to be applied because of faith. True believers will do what ever they want as a practice because what they want is to live for God by keeping His commandments. This is based on the love we hold for our Master, the Lord Jesus Christ.
It is no possible for a Christian to practice sinning. 1 John 3:9
No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's [fn] seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God.
We are those who focus on keeping His commands from a sincere and pure heart spawned from love.
1 John 2:4,5
Whoever says "I know him" but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him,
but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may know that we are in him:
http://www.gerald285.com/web_media/BirthmarksofaBeliever.32.mp3
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Isaiah 48:18,Oh that you had paid attention to my commandments! Then your peace would have been like a river, and your righteousness like the waves of the sea.

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“Why do we no longer need to ask for forgiveness for a sin?”
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2013, 01:02:16 PM »
We as true believers should simply believe scripture for what it says, when it says it, and to whom it says it too. We should not argue, nor fight, nor divide over it. We should just simply rightly divide the Word of Truth, and believe the truth. Strife and envy lead only to for strife and envy (fruit begets fruit ). Negative equals negative.
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Re: “Why do we no longer need to ask for forgiveness for a sin?”
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2013, 01:20:55 PM »
We as true believers should simply believe scripture for what it says, when it says it, and to whom it says it too. We should not argue, nor fight, nor divide over it. We should just simply rightly divide the Word of Truth, and believe the truth. Strife and envy lead only to for strife and envy (fruit begets fruit ). Negative equals negative.
Agreeing with scripture means we agree we have to repent to be saved.
As long as we repent.
Isaiah 48:18,Oh that you had paid attention to my commandments! Then your peace would have been like a river, and your righteousness like the waves of the sea.

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“Why do we no longer need to ask for forgiveness for a sin?”
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2013, 07:41:56 PM »
Biblical repentance is often confused with changing your behavior, turning from your sins, or offering self sacrificial penance or confession. All of these wrong definitions of repentance lead to a diminished view of what Christ accomplished and provides freely by his death and resurrection. Learn the meaning of biblical repentance as a change of mind and how your mind has changed about how your sins are dealt with as a result of the gospel of the grace of God.
"...to make all men see"(Ephesians 3:9)

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Re: “Why do we no longer need to ask for forgiveness for a sin?”
« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2013, 08:08:19 PM »
Biblical repentance is often confused with changing your behavior, turning from your sins, or offering self sacrificial penance or confession. All of these wrong definitions of repentance lead to a diminished view of what Christ accomplished and provides freely by his death and resurrection. Learn the meaning of biblical repentance as a change of mind and how your mind has changed about how your sins are dealt with as a result of the gospel of the grace of God.
The problem with your explanation is it rejects what the bible says. Biblical repentance is a change of mind toward God. We are born with a mind-set of not wanting God to be our Master, not to be subject to Him. We must repent turn toward Him, change our minds about Him.
 Acts 20:21
Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

We then take that heart of repentance and place it on Jesus because all authority has been given Him and faith is born and grace is given.

It is not about what we are turning from, but Who we are turning to and we cannot almost turn to God. The turning from sin is the evidence that we have (repented) turned to God.

Mat 3:8
Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:

Eph 2:8-10
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

No repentance no salvation.
Isaiah 48:18,Oh that you had paid attention to my commandments! Then your peace would have been like a river, and your righteousness like the waves of the sea.

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“Why do we no longer need to ask for forgiveness for a sin?”
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2013, 01:53:23 PM »
Don’t depend upon your clergyman, my dear friend, to interpret the Scriptures for you. See for yourself what God says in His Word. For “every one of us shall give an account of himself to God”, says Romans 14:12
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Re: “Why do we no longer need to ask for forgiveness for a sin?”
« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2013, 08:25:18 PM »
Don’t depend upon your clergyman, my dear friend, to interpret the Scriptures for you. See for yourself what God says in His Word. For “every one of us shall give an account of himself to God”, says Romans 14:12
I believe what the bible says unlike you.
Isaiah 48:18,Oh that you had paid attention to my commandments! Then your peace would have been like a river, and your righteousness like the waves of the sea.

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“Why do we no longer need to ask for forgiveness for a sin?”
« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2013, 05:13:30 PM »
I believe what the bible says unlike you.

2 Timothy 3:7
 King James Version (KJV)
 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
"...to make all men see"(Ephesians 3:9)

We don't change God's message -- His message changes us.

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Re: “Why do we no longer need to ask for forgiveness for a sin?”
« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2013, 08:37:14 PM »
2 Timothy 3:7
 King James Version (KJV)
 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.


That is exactly your problem along with this;
2Tim 4:3a
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine;
Isaiah 48:18,Oh that you had paid attention to my commandments! Then your peace would have been like a river, and your righteousness like the waves of the sea.

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Re: “Why do we no longer need to ask for forgiveness for a sin?”
« Reply #12 on: May 28, 2013, 08:50:12 AM »
If Jesus were to stand in front of you, what would He say?
"So then, stand firm and hold to the traditions :o which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter" (2 Thessalonians 2:15).

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“Why do we no longer need to ask for forgiveness for a sin?”
« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2013, 10:16:40 PM »
If Jesus were to stand in front of you, what would He say?

Thank You Lord
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Re: “Why do we no longer need to ask for forgiveness for a sin?”
« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2013, 12:26:31 AM »
More of your false teachings. Here is what God's word says;
Acts 20:21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
Isaiah 48:18,Oh that you had paid attention to my commandments! Then your peace would have been like a river, and your righteousness like the waves of the sea.

 

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