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1 or 2 demonaics in the tombs?
« on: June 09, 2013, 12:06:54 PM »
How many demoniacs were in the tombs? The book of Matthew says there were two, but the books of Mark and Luke say there was only one.

Here are the scriptures:

...there met him TWO possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way... (Matt. 8:28)

...there met him A CERTAIN MAN, which had devils long time, and ware no clothes, neither abode in any house, but in the tombs... (Luke 8:27)

...immediately there met him out of the tombs A MAN with an unclean spirit... (Mark 5:2)
« Last Edit: June 09, 2013, 12:10:08 PM by me again »
"So then, stand firm and hold to the traditions :o which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter" (2 Thessalonians 2:15).

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Re: 1 or 2 demonaics in the tombs?
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2013, 11:40:59 PM »
IMO, the reports by Mark and Luke are the accurate ones because they both give the demon's name as Legion, that Matthew leaves out.  Meaning he was infected by many demons.


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Re: 1 or 2 demonaics in the tombs?
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2013, 07:12:41 PM »
It doesn't matter.

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Re: 1 or 2 demonaics in the tombs?
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2013, 05:15:40 AM »
The Mat passage says there was two so there was two. The other two passages are not in contradiction but only giving part of the account. When I give my testimony many times I leave something out, but it does not make it wrong only incomplete.
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Re: 1 or 2 demonaics in the tombs?
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2013, 08:43:57 AM »
It doesn't matter.

Please explain why it doesn't matter.

I recently took a theology class for the first time. The professor is a doctor of theology and he said, "It doesn't really matter if there are mistakes or contradictions in the bible because it's not going to affect my faith." Zaph, when you say that "it really doesn't matter," is that the context of your statement?
"So then, stand firm and hold to the traditions :o which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter" (2 Thessalonians 2:15).

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Re: 1 or 2 demonaics in the tombs?
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2013, 09:30:08 AM »
Please explain why it doesn't matter.

I recently took a theology class for the first time. The professor is a doctor of theology and he said, "It doesn't really matter if there are mistakes or contradictions in the bible because it's not going to affect my faith." Zaph, when you say that "it really doesn't matter," is that the context of your statement?

You need to run from that professor if he believes there are mistakes or contradictions.
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Re: 1 or 2 demonaics in the tombs?
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2013, 08:52:03 PM »
Please explain why it doesn't matter.

The only way it would matter (at least in my opinion) is if I believed the Bible was dictated word for word. Then yes there would be a problem for me. But I don't believe that so whether there were 2 or 1 demoniacs doesn't bother me. There are several other seemingly issues like this in the gospels. 

I think you need to ask yourself if the reason why the story was told changes depending on the number of demoniacs. It doesn't. It's a wonderful story of Jesus healing even those who have by poor choices made a complete wreck out of their lives. It was live demonstration that He can save to the uttermost! What a wonderful God we have!!

I might even say that my friend Saved might be on to something also. The Bible doesn't contradict itself.
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Re: 1 or 2 demonaics in the tombs?
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2013, 04:20:20 PM »
The only way it would matter (at least in my opinion) is if I believed the Bible was dictated word for word. Then yes there would be a problem for me. But I don't believe that so whether there were 2 or 1 demoniacs doesn't bother me. There are several other seemingly issues like this in the gospels. 

I think you need to ask yourself if the reason why the story was told changes depending on the number of demoniacs. It doesn't. It's a wonderful story of Jesus healing even those who have by poor choices made a complete wreck out of their lives. It was live demonstration that He can save to the uttermost! What a wonderful God we have!!

I might even say that my friend Saved might be on to something also. The Bible doesn't contradict itself.


Just out of curiosity, of the three accounts, Mark and Luke are nearly identical, describing a single man, while Matthew 8:28-32 states there are two.  Yet Jesus did not call Matthew to be one of His disciples until in 9:9.  Who wrote the account then, of all that was recorded in Matthew previous to that?

In addition, if the Bible is infallible, how come there are so many different ones that do not translate all of it the same way, by any means.  Which one of them then is the infallible one ?
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Re: 1 or 2 demonaics in the tombs?
« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2013, 11:54:21 PM »
I'm thinking there is already more than one thread here somewhere that discusses Bible versions. Which can get kinda of opinionated. Let's not sidetrack this topic from the original.

I would be interested in hearing me again's thoughts about the answers we have proposed.

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Re: 1 or 2 demonaics in the tombs?
« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2013, 08:59:13 AM »
I would be interested in hearing me again's thoughts about the answers we have proposed.

I'm honestly not sure. Also, while cross reading the bible (a new scripture reading technique that I've never used), I found another error (?) in the transcription of the bible. I'll post it today (short on time now).

My conclusion: There are no errors in God's Word, but there could be errors in how men transcribed ancient documents. The Word that originally came from the mouth of God is faultless, but it's possible for me or you or others to type errors into it, such as in the bible.
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Re: 1 or 2 demonaics in the tombs?
« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2013, 12:55:51 PM »
Also, while cross reading the bible (a new scripture reading technique that I've never used), I found another error (?) in the transcription of the bible. I'll post it today (short on time now).

While researching the new discrepancy, I discovered that it's not an error. Here is the explanation:
http://carm.org/bible-difficulties/matthew-mark/was-taxman-named-matthew-or-levi
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Re: 1 or 2 demonaics in the tombs?
« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2013, 07:44:37 PM »
If people are looking for problems with the Bible they will find them. God doesn't remove all room for doubts and questions. If He did there would be no reason for faith.



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Re: 1 or 2 demonaics in the tombs?
« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2013, 12:57:21 AM »
You might be interested in the following where one source is just looking for contradictions:

http://au.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070925094600AARIoRz

But the fact of the matter is, most of them are not, while most of the ones that do exist are due directly from scribal alterations, whether accidental, or on purpose, to suit their belief system.


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Re: 1 or 2 demonaics in the tombs?
« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2013, 09:38:09 PM »
If people are looking for problems with the Bible they will find them. God doesn't remove all room for doubts and questions. If He did there would be no reason for faith.

I certainly wasn't looking for the discrepancy, but found it while doing a cross-reference bible study in my quiet time. 
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Re: 1 or 2 demonaics in the tombs?
« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2013, 07:26:46 PM »
Sorry Me again, I did not mean to imply that you were looking for problems. However, some people seem to love to point stuff like this out. I once was talking to a pastor who asked me if I was aware of all the so-called-issues in the Bible that critics like to point out. I said.. No.   He said... good and I won't point them out to you either.

Nothing wrong with having a good honest discussion over an honest question. However, some questions are not so honest but designed to cause doubt and confusion (and I'm not talking about you).

We need to be careful not to injure those who are weak in the faith.

 

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